OneLight Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, delade3 said: And the Pure of heart shall see The Face of God. And if God's Laws pertaining to Cleanliness can help me be as pure, what is wrong with them? So are those laws: The legal, ceremonial, moral, or general standards of God? No bible I have ever read said that in Matthew 5:8. they all say for they shall see GOd, never the face of God. What version are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delade3 Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 78 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/05/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: So you believe in following the purity laws given in the Law of Moses? following is the wrong word. a better way to word it might be: it is not a burden to do them. And it is a joy to know of them and to apply them given I have the means to do so... It is when i don't have the means, either by not having knowledge to specific details or not being in a place where I have the option between the pure things and the impure things. If I am living in an area that only sells unclean fish but I desire to eat fish, i will not be able to eat fish so I would have to learn of how to rearrange my desires so that I can remain within the 'purity laws' as you put it. And this process can get a little tiring and wearisome. It's like being in a tropical weather when you desire cooler weather. I just have to deal with the tropical weather because I have no choice. As well as dealing with sicknesses and pains and grievances because I have no other option.. And so you might be able to see how it can become wearisome, toilsome and a pain... But still a joy... The rest of the daily evils... well... noone is perfect.. Edited March 27, 2017 by delade3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 4 hours ago, delade3 said: following is the wrong word. a better way to word it might be: it is not a burden to do them. And it is a joy to know of them and to apply them given I have the means to do so... It is when i don't have the means, either by not having knowledge to specific details or not being in a place where I have the option between the pure things and the impure things. If I am living in an area that only sells unclean fish but I desire to eat fish, i will not be able to eat fish so I would have to learn of how to rearrange my desires so that I can remain within the 'purity laws' as you put it. And this process can get a little tiring and wearisome. It's like being in a tropical weather when you desire cooler weather. I just have to deal with the tropical weather because I have no choice. As well as dealing with sicknesses and pains and grievances because I have no other option.. And so you might be able to see how it can become wearisome, toilsome and a pain... But still a joy... The rest of the daily evils... well... noone is perfect.. That is a practice in futility, though, if you are observing these things in order obtain God's favor. Practicing the purity laws in the law of Moses doesn't really make you pure before God. Physical impurity isn't the problem and it isn't what God is really concerned with, ultimately. We are made spiritually clean through the blood of Jesus. Jesus' blood is what cleanses us from all unrighteousness. It is His sacrifice on the cross that has perfected us who have trusted in Him for salvation. You observe these purity laws all you want, but it will never help you before God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 11 hours ago, OneLight said: I believe the question is not asking "who" is unclean, as we would have to list most of the whole world. What I believe is being asked is the meaning of unclean. Well who is unclean is all part of WHAT is unclean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, delade3 said: And the Pure of heart shall see The Face of God. And if God's Laws pertaining to Cleanliness can help me be as pure, what is wrong with them? So are those laws: The legal, ceremonial, moral, or general standards of God? Asking questions as to if God can change is to err. Seeking to change God is seeking to change God's Word. Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." Remember that being saved in Christ makes us forgiven sinners, not perfect. We are all called to strive to be like Christ but we will not be fully perfected until we are with Him in our new, perfect sinless bodies. Remember too we are not saved by our works. Our salvation is a gift from God. NOT ever of works, lest any man should boast Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Edited March 27, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 1 hour ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Well who is unclean is all part of WHAT is unclean. Go ahead and start your list. You should be busy for the rest of your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2017 22 hours ago, OneLight said: Go ahead and start your list. You should be busy for the rest of your life. Haha good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Noodle Posted March 28, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/26/2017 at 9:40 PM, delade3 said: What does it mean to be 'unclean'? "...and all uncleanness..." What is 'unclean'??? A great question. I've seen that term used in a thread here overmuch as relates to babies and their inheritance of Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 28, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Danger Noodle said: A great question. I've seen that term used in a thread here overmuch as relates to babies and their inheritance of Heaven. What exactly does YHWH say in THE BIBLE about unclean children and unclean heathen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 28, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/27/2017 at 7:25 AM, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Well who is unclean is all part of WHAT is unclean. YHWH gives very specific direstions in HIS WORD, OT , and NT, and maybe most important today REVELATION - since the list of who and what is unclean is very specific, and tells who is NOT IN HEAVEN. (few make it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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