Does the Spirit always remain in the born-again believer?

[Danger Noodle]

20 minutes ago, ZacharyB said:

How you doin' with the bold u/l words?

E.G. to follow Jesus is to obey His commandments.

Imagine that. To know Jesus is to be in relationship with the Spirit of truth. 

 

[ZacharyB]

18 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

Here we go again, folks ...

Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven.

If that's not okay with you, please complain to Him ... not to me or anyone else, okay?

Hope a double okay is not as bad as a double negative!

[Jeff2]

How is depending on the finished work of the cross earning salvation.
It's already finished. Please explain. 

You add the works of believing and confessing with your mouth. So, since it is a "finished salvation" as you argue, why even worry about anything, for you are saved by fate, not by grace. If one has to believe to be saved, it is not finished. You say that this is Legalism.  

[Jeff2]

7 minutes ago, ZacharyB said:

Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven.

Writing to Christians, Jude says, "Keep yourselves in the love of God." Jude 21

I guess that we can rip Jude out of our Bibles now because he does not agree with our theory.

 

[Guest Teditis]

Good works are the fruit of Salvation, not the means of it.

[ZacharyB]

7 hours ago, Jeff2 said:

 Eternal Security is nowhere in the Bible.

But, there certainly are some NT verses which easily can lead one astray into believing in OSAS.

IMO, it's up to the most precious Holy Spirit to reveal spiritual Truth to those who are OPEN and ready to receive it.

The WARNINGS are interspersed amongst all of the many edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc.

... so as to be NOT so obvious that they might discourage the new baby believers who are slurping milk.

Some believers NEED the bold more than a bunch of dire warnings (at some point in time in their lives).

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB

[Heb 13:8]

Just now, ZacharyB said:

Jesus loves all of His created beings, butski most of 'em aren't going to heaven.

Actually, no. Nonbelievers are considered enemies of God, and believers in Christ only obtain agape love in Rom 8:38-39.

Rom 5:10 For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love (agape) of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,

Phl 3:18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.

[kwikphilly]

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On 4/10/2017 at 7:23 PM, kwikphilly said:

Thats it Bro Zach........IF.....biggest & loudest Word in the entire Bible                                                With love-in Christ,Kwik

Thanks for your support, Kwikster girl.

Yes, there are many IF's in the NT.

Hey Zach Bro.......they are always going to insist you are talking about a works based Faith or Salvation...I will never understand why that is.....sorry Zach

IF IF IF IF......unfortunately so many are indocrtinated with ...."If you believe Jesus is Savior of the world etc... & repeat after me "The Sinners Prayer"   The demons believe WHO HE is & know better than any of em,they were there  & saw Jesus crucified,die & RISE on the 3rd day.....

IF IF IF........

[Jeff2]

10 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Hey Zach Bro.......they are always going to insist you are talking about a works based Faith or Salvation...I will never understand why that is.....sorry Zach

Because if the conditional passages are true, their house of theological cards come crashing down. They may have to contend with something that convicts them. Secondly, many have confused Eternal Security with the Gospel. By falsely equating it to the Gospel, it strokes their ego that to disagree with them, renders one to be lost. They cannot defend the false doctrine they teach, so the next easiest thing is to try to attack the person instead of making a rational defense of what they believe.

It's easier to raise dust than to answer an argument!

Edited April 12, 2017 by Jeff2

[Heb 13:8]

13 minutes ago, Jeff2 said:

How is depending on the finished work of the cross earning salvation.
It's already finished. Please explain. 

You add the works of believing and confessing with your mouth. So, since it is a "finished salvation" as you argue, why even worry about anything, for you are saved by fate, not by grace. If one has to believe to be saved, it is not finished. You say that this is Legalism.  

Believing and confessing is of faith, not works Jeff.

Ok, so you are confessing to us that you are a nonbeliever who denies Rom 10:9. I just wanted to confirm before we go any further. I would like to tell you that Jesus loves you, and He died on the cross and paid the penalty for your sins. Rom 10:9 is the only way to become saved.

Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.