Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Jude1:3 said: The Book of Enoch Existed Before Christianity in 2nd Temple Judaism and fragments were found with The Dead Sea Scrolls: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/scr3.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch The Pre Christian Essenes used The book of Enoch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes You need to understand that the book of Enoch, like other ancient documents was not necessarily written all at once or at one sitting. They are often written in sections and over a period of time and pieced together later. It is likely that portions of the book of Enoch were written prior to the first century and other portions came later after the birth of Christianity, which would explain why it contains information that is similar to the NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: other portions came later after the birth of Christianity, which would explain why it contains information that is similar to the NT. . It was written before Christianity even existed. Early Christians used The Book of Enoch as Scripture and still do to this day in The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church as apart of their official Canon of scripture. It is an ancient Christian Church. http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said: . It was written before Christianity even existed. Early Christians used The Book of Enoch as Scripture and still do to this day in The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church as apart of their official Canon of scripture. It is an ancient Christian Church. http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html It may have existed in some form before Christianity started, but likely not all of the book is pre-Christian. I don't find that any early Christians used it "as Scripture." They may have quoted from it, but that does mean they used it as Scripture. And any who did, were wrong for doing so, as the book of Enoch is not divine in origin and was not inspired by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said: . It was written before Christianity even existed. Early Christians used The Book of Enoch as Scripture and still do to this day in The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church as apart of their official Canon of scripture. It is an ancient Christian Church. http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html Thank God He sent Jesus to correct errors and the Holy Spirit to teach us in truth. There is a reason why they are no longer thought of as cannon. We have been shown its errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: It may have existed in some form before Christianity started, but likely not all of the book is pre-Christian. I don't find that any early Christians used it "as Scripture." They may have quoted from it, but that does mean they used it as Scripture. And any who did, were wrong for doing so, as the book of Enoch is not divine in origin and was not inspired by God. That's not true at all: “I am aware that the Scripture of Enoch, which has assigned this order of action to angels, is not received by some, because it is not admitted into the Jewish canon either. Tertulian -On the Apparel of Women I 3:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, OneLight said: Thank God He sent Jesus to correct errors and the Holy Spirit to teach us in truth. There is a reason why they are no longer thought of as cannon. We have been shown its errors. The Holy Spirit is trying to show people that it is Legit Scripture and The Ethiopian Orthodox Church was faithful enough to keep it as Holy Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Jude1:3 said: The Holy Spirit is trying to show people that it is Legit Scripture and The Ethiopian Orthodox Church was faithful enough to keep it as Holy Scripture. No, He is not. Man is trying to justify their chosen canon by accepting many of the discarded book. Ever wonder why the scripture speaks so much about about false teaching and how people will fall greatly in the last days? It is because they accept non-scriptural literature as the truth, being led astray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) The first chapter of the book of 1 Enoch reveals why it was hid away for so long : The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. • 1 Enoch 1:1-2 Edited September 18, 2017 by Jude1:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, OneLight said: No, He is not. Man is trying to justify their chosen canon by accepting many of the discarded book. Ever wonder why the scripture speaks so much about about false teaching and how people will fall greatly in the last days? It is because they accept non-scriptural literature as the truth, being led astray. Yes He is. What in 1 Enoch would lead people astray ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said: The first chapter of the book of 1 Enoch reveals why it was hid away for so long : The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. • 1 Enoch 1:1-3 Strange you would use this as as justification. Danial 12:9 says the same and the book of Daniel was never removed. And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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