The Tribulation?

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, n2thelight said:

Where is Moses right now?

Did he not stand with Christ on the mount along with Elijah?

Take it they were sleep walking

The transfiguration is a vision of first resurrection and rapture..

noun / transfiguration
1. the act of transfiguring.
2. the state of being transfigured.
3. (initial capital letter) the supernatural and glorified change in the appearance of Jesus on the mountain. Matt. 17:1–9.
4. (initial capital letter) the church festival commemorating this, observed on August 6.

verb (used with object), transfigure, transfigured, transfiguring.
1.to change in outward form or appearance; transform.
2. to change so as to glorify or exalt.

Matt 17:2 There he was transfigured (metamorphoó) before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.

metamorphoó: to transform
Original Word: μεταμορφόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metamorphoó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-am-or-fo'-o)
Short Definition: I change the form, transform
Definition: I transform, transfigure.

Rom 8:18-21 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

1 Cor 15:50-54 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

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The transfiguration is a vision of first resurrection and rapture..

Moses and Elijah were doing what?

Edited May 30, 2017 by n2thelight

[n2thelight]

51 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

Re: 1 Corinth. 15:52

"King James Bible
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Says we will be changed.

Who is 'we'?

"We' would be the body of Christ is changed.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

ALL are changed saint and sinner alike.

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."

Believing that Jesus died and rose again is required of all Christians. At the seventh trump God is not going to raise a soul rotting in the ground, but they are already there with Him, and at Jesus coming these souls of dead loved ones will return with Christ to the earth. There is not meeting half way as the rapture theory teaches, but at their arrival you who are alive at that time will be changed to the same spiritual bodies that they have.

 

I Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the time of the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which are asleep."

Like was stated before, in the Greek it states that there is no one that is alive at the Lord's coming that will precede them that are already with Him. If each soul goes back to the Father at death, then there is no way that those souls are still in the ground to be here when Jesus returns. Why? They are already there with Him.

 

 

[n2thelight]

1 hour ago, eileenhat said:

But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

I think that there is a spiritual change that is therefore happening in 1 Corinth. 15:52, but not at the level of Luke 20:35-36 'change'.  This 'change' in 1,000 years puts everyone saved at the level of the resurrected saints.  Right now, that is not the case.

Luke 20:35 "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:"

"They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world" are those that are saved and become a Christian in this world age of flesh man. They have obtained the next world age, the eternal world age. Those that are "resurrected from the dead" are our loved ones that have died and are in their incorruptible bodies as the angels have. There are no marriage like we have now in that next earth age after death. Why? Marriage and birth are common only to this earth age of flesh man. There are no weddings between flesh people in heaven because flesh and blood can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. There is only one bridegroom, and that is Jesus Himself, it is all spiritual.

I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

It just can't happen, for the moment you die, you enter into the kingdom of God, on one side the gulf or the other, on the side of the rich man, or the side of Lazarus, in the bosom of Abraham, from Luke 16:19-31. The two just won't mix, but they will be aware of each other. However Paul goes on telling us of that time when all souls on the face of the earth living at a certain moment in time, will be changed into their new incorruptible bodies as the angels have. The change will come for the sake of those souls living for the next thousand years right here on earth in Jesus Christ's Millennium kingdom. That kingdom will allow those souls to know the truth, and be taught and tested. Then comes the Judgment day as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This mystery is something that had not been revealed before. In this mystery, a time will come when all souls living in their flesh body will be changed. Why. Because something is about to happen, and flesh and blood corruptible bodies cannot exist in that state.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

At most funerals this set of verses is preached, and it talks about a time in the future when souls will be raptured. This is not what it is talking about. Again, Paul is revealing a mystery to us, something that shall take place at a certain moment in time. What happens at that moment? The "dead" are those in their physical bodies, and the dead shall be raised or changed into their incorruptible bodies as the angels have. Jesus told you that in, that this body will be equal or as the angels exist in. That can't be to hard to understand.

So at this certain instant or "moment" in time, every human being in their flesh and blood body will be changed, "raised" ["allaso" in the Greek] into their new spiritual bodies, incorruptible, just as the angels have. Why? the last trump, the seventh trump has sounded, and Jesus Christ is coming to earth in all His glory, to set up His Millennium kingdom, and flesh and blood cannot exist in that kingdom. Mankind and the things of importance to the flesh and blood body will not be needed. There will be no sickness, no need for schools for God will place within each mind of those incorruptible bodies the truth from His Word. You won't have to ask your neighbor what is right, for you will know it.

Are you starting to see why Jesus did not want to give answer to those religious leaders when they started to talk about the here after life. Those Kenites couldn't understand that there was a life here after, so how could they even start to understand what goes on after death, or at the seventh trump.

Luke 20:36 "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal ["isangelloi", exactly like] unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

This is talking about saved people, "the children of the resurrection," and Jesus is telling you that their soul will never die, that soul is eternal. Why, they obtained their immortality when by faith they came to Christ in repentance, and the blood of Christ washed their sins away. Their soul became eternal when they overcame, and in repentance came under the blood of Christ. Angels are the children of God, and you are a child of God in this earth age of flesh man; you will also be a child of God in your incorruptible body in the eternity. The children of the resurrection are not in flesh bodies, and Jesus is telling these religious leaders that they just don't know what they are talking about.

"Children of the resurrection" have immortality, and their souls will never die. The entire purpose for marriage in this flesh age was to have children, to bring male and female together, to live as a unit of one and multiply. Each created soul is required to be born into this earth age, innocent of the age that was, and chose whether they will follow God or Satan. When each souls has either had, or passed over entry into this earth age of flesh man, the Lord comes, and this earth age is over and we move into the Millennium age. No one is going to die in the Millennium age, or in the eternity; and nobody is going to get born after the seventh trumpet. Once the seventh trump sounds, that's it for the things of the age of flesh man and flesh woman. God is the Father of the living, not the dead.

These old flesh bodies get wore out, banged up from accidents, and in time they pass away. However, when our soul leaves this flesh body, each soul moves into a perfect body that shall never age or get sick. This is what Jesus was trying to tell those "certain of the Sadducees" that were trying to trip Him up. God has much better things to offer you than one of these flesh bodies, which get sick, have pain, and many time are full of problems. Jesus is telling you that those that do over come in the resurrection into their spiritual body, there is no need for those things that this flesh age demands.

https://www.theseason.org/luke/luke20.htm

[n2thelight]

9 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

When will the final transformation happen?  At the end of the 1,000 years.

Will we all die (referencing now Verse 52)?  No, we were only judged and those found lukewarm or non Christian among God's children (ie. his body) soul's were judged and cast out of their bodies into the lake of fire.  Plenty did not get judged.  I already briefly mentioned that this 'judging' already occurred, prior to Trump's election actually (Oct. 31st, 2016, as a note here).  Again, thread about was deleted.

 

It is a complicated 3 verses.

 

Trying to fit it into a rapture idea doesn't work.

One can't fit a rapture in anywhere

True all won't die,however all shall be changed,the difference is in the state of your soul,it will either be mortal or immortal

No one has been judged already except satan and the 7000 angels that die instantly at Christ return.

The milennium is for a time of teaching the true Word of God,without the influence of satan. Those with a mortal soul stand a chance to die the 2nd death,which is the death of the soul

Judgement starts at the white throne

[simplejeff]

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Where is Moses right now?

Did he not stand with Christ on the mount along with Elijah?

Take it they were sleep walking

As Jesus told the disciples ,  "do not tell the 'vision' until ......"

Moses is not resurrected yet. (although it will be as if just a moment to him and he is, since there is no time as men understand it in the world).....

[simplejeff]

6 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

Then late last year, I was shown by God angels roles here on earth, they were to take the place of humans judged by God (ie. souls judged, ie. those not part of the Church of Philadelphia).  They took on flesh forms and the roles of those people.

Making for a transition of power over from Satan's reign to Jesus.

This is not in line with Scripture at all.  Any vision or dream as if revealing anything like this is from the enemy or the imagination.

[n2thelight]

3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

As Jesus told the disciples ,  "do not tell the 'vision' until ......"

Moses is not resurrected yet. (although it will be as if just a moment to him and he is, since there is no time as men understand it in the world).....

Take it that was a ghost

[n2thelight]

4 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Life begins at conception, not birth. Why do you think God hates abortion.

We are with God before birth.

[simplejeff]

No,   no 'ghost',  Jesus said vision.  

Likewise no life pre-existent for a person before being conceived, at the moment YHWH gives life.

 

19 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Take it that was a ghost

 

3 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

We are with God before birth.