State Endorsed Marriage

[mikhailjb7]

Hi All,

I am intersted in exactly when it was that the Church handed over or perhaps it was surrendered to the State control over the covenant of Marriage.

Regards,

Mikhail

[ted]

I'm not really sure how to answer this one.

The "State" has set up laws regarding marriage to legally define what it is, and for different causes of it's demise between individuals. It does this to deal with social issues, as well as economic issues that are related to a marriage. State laws, are in effect, a way to bring a marriage into the legal realm by structuring a marriage as a legal contract between two people (Clearly meaning one man and one woman, until recently). And, in a way, to define itself by it's laws concerning marriage. Much of it is based on Judeo-Christian foundations.

God, through the Bible, has set the conditions for marriage and divorce.

Personally, the current attacks on marriage, and the states speedy descent into what will amount to their failure to recognize (officially) what God has laid out will only confuse the issue further.

A state, or nation, that falls away from various teachings and laws that are Biblically sound, will only bring pain to it's foundations.

Marriage, of course, being one of them.

As to when the two merged........ a long time ago, I reckon.

t.

[M45510G1C]

I believe it was the Greeks who were first to use marriage as a legal institution. It is a shame that the church has willingly accepted this substitution of government for Christ as the chief cornerstone of marriage.

[ted]

Which church?

t.

[Guest shiloh357]

Hi All,

I am intersted in exactly when it was that the Church handed over or perhaps it was surrendered to the State control over the covenant of Marriage.

Regards,

Mikhail

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What is it that makes you think the Church has surrendered control over the marriage covenant to the State? Can you be a bit more specific?

[mikhailjb7]

Hi All,

I am intersted in exactly when it was that the Church handed over or perhaps it was surrendered to the State control over the covenant of Marriage.

Regards,

Mikhail

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What is it that makes you think the Church has surrendered control over the marriage covenant to the State? Can you be a bit more specific?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"...by the power vested in me by the state of ______, I now pronounce you man and wife"

In this it is clear that ordained Ministers are deriving their authority to marry not from God but from the State Legal System.

In a Marriage ceremony their is usually several parts, the public declaration by the man and the woman before their family and community to be husband and wife

Then usually the congregation are asked to talk amongst themselves whilst they sign the marriage licence. This legally and publicly confirms that was is happening is a seperate procedure, to fulfill state legal requirements.

Mikhail

[ayin jade]

I thought my marriage ceremony, in the US, said by the power invested in me by God and something about in accordance with the laws of the state of ___, I pronounce you.......but I could be mistaken, I was kinda wound up that day lol.

Regardless, the Lord countenanced our marriage and even "spoke" His approval during the ceremony.

[Guest shiloh357]

I thought my marriage ceremony, in the US, said by the power invested in me by God and something about in accordance with the laws of the state of ___, I pronounce you.......but I could be mistaken, I was kinda wound up that day lol.

Regardless, the Lord countenanced our marriage and even "spoke" His approval during the ceremony.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, that is how it was worded at my brother's wedding.

I think it is bit far fetched to say that the Church has surrendered the "Covenant of Marriage" to the state. I don't see that such has happened.

We are told in the Scriptures that we are to abide by the laws of our country. There is nothing unreasonable about signing a marriage license, or anything else that people do to get married.

My brother and his wife have a strong Christ-centered marriage, and following the laws the land did not adversely affect them at all.

[his-servant-too]

I thought my marriage ceremony, in the US, said by the power invested in me by God and something about in accordance with the laws of the state of ___, I pronounce you.......but I could be mistaken, I was kinda wound up that day lol.

Regardless, the Lord countenanced our marriage and even "spoke" His approval during the ceremony.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, that is how it was worded at my brother's wedding.

I think it is bit far fetched to say that the Church has surrendered the "Covenant of Marriage" to the state. I don't see that such has happened.

We are told in the Scriptures that we are to abide by the laws of our country. There is nothing unreasonable about signing a marriage license, or anything else that people do to get married.

My brother and his wife have a strong Christ-centered marriage, and following the laws the land did not adversely affect them at all.

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The ceremony that most of all go to has two parts, Religious and legal. The minister is officiating over both and has been given the power to do both One by the church he/she represents the other by state. The church grants this duty to their representative by usually ordaining that person to this duty and others in the name of GOD. The state license individuals to do much the same except they make the union of the two persons a legal fact. Can you be married without the legal part. Yes but I wouldn