Church of England bishops in the UK say, Being gay IS NOT A SICKNESS OR A SIN,

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Deborah_ said:

Then all of us heterosexuals are also in a continual state of sin, because we are all attracted to members of the opposite sex.

Wrong.   God designed men and women to be attracted to each other.  That is not sin.   Homosexuality is a perversion of God's plan for marriage and human sexuality.   There is no sin in Scripture where it is okay to have the desire, but not commit the act.

 

[Deborah_]

2 hours ago, Pudgenik said:

Being Gay is not some sickness of the body. It isn't something like a virus, or a cold where you can't stop it. It isn't even like drugs, with the exception of those first few times. Because being Gay is something you Want to do. And you Want to do it every time. At least with a cocaine user, the first one, two, and three times - they are his/her choice. After that, it is the cocaine that litterially takes over. It is called a mind altering drug. Being Gay has no excuses. You choose to do that each and every day. 

I can't figure how you can defend that lifestyle. They are often violent and rude. Go see any gay pride parade, or go to New Orleans, or Seattle Wa. or the Florida Keys, when they have alt week. Oh ya, so innocent. Yuck! Try standing up for Jesus, at a gay rights parade, please. You'll see how humble they really are.

Some people really do choose to be gay, but not all, by a long way. If you are gay, you do have a choice whether or not to act out your attraction (either in thought or in deed).

Where do you get the idea that I'm defending their lifestyle?

So what if some gay people are violent and rude? So are a lot of heterosexuals. I don't really see the relevance.

[Deborah_]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

Wrong.   God designed men and women to be attracted to each other.  That is not sin.   Homosexuality is a perversion of God's plan for marriage and human sexuality.   There is no sin in Scripture where it is okay to have the desire, but not commit the act.

 

OK, so if I experience a desire to steal a valuable piece of jewellery, am I committing a sin even though I resist? I would call that desire a temptation, not a sin. Desire becomes a sin only if I start fantasising over it, or planning to execute the robbery.

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

OK, so if I experience a desire to steal a valuable piece of jewellery, am I committing a sin even though I resist? I would call that desire a temptation, not a sin. Desire becomes a sin only if I start fantasising over it, or planning to execute the robbery.

It is not a sin to be tempted to sin. It is what you do with the desire that arises from that temptation.   The problem arises when we see sinful desires as non-sinful.  

Jesus taught that sin begins in the heart, that it is not enough to simply not commit the act;  there should be nothing in our hearts to prompt us to sin in the first place.   

When it is taught that homosexual attraction/desire is not sinful, that only acting on those desires is sinful, then we have a teaching that goes against Scripture. 

Temptation incites sinful desires.  What separates Christians from everyone else is not the absence of temptation and sinful desires, but our response to them.

[OldSchool2]

On ‎7‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 6:26 AM, Deborah_ said:

Being gay is not a sin, just a temptation. It's the behaviour that's the sin....

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, homosexuals are called to chastity as the act itself is traditionally looked upon as contrary to natural law. Although not technically a sin, the catechism considers homosexuality to be a "grave depravity" that under no circumstances can be approved, yet there always seems to be a gay scandal being uncovered from inside the Vatican.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, homosexuals are called to chastity as the act itself is traditionally looked upon as contrary to natural law. Although not technically a sin, the catechism considers homosexuality to be a "grave depravity" that under no circumstances can be approved, yet there always seems to be a gay scandal being uncovered from inside the Vatican.

 

The Bible overrules the Roman cult.  The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination, something God detests.  So it is a sin in the first order. 

[OldSchool2]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

The Bible overrules the Roman cult.  The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination, something God detests.  So it is a sin in the first order. 

It certainly is in the Book of Leviticus as homosexuality is one of only of handful of acts that calls for the death penalty, but I was quoting the Catholic Catechism, not the Bible.

[Guest shiloh357]

8 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

It certainly is in the Book of Leviticus as homosexuality is one of only of handful of acts that calls for the death penalty, but I was quoting the Catholic Catechism, not the Bible.

Yes, and I am saying that the Bible over rules the catechism.  Whereas the catechism only sees it as "technically" not a sin, the Bible calls it an abomination, something that God detests.

[OldSchool2]

5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, and I am saying that the Bible over rules the catechism....

The Bible over rules both the Catholic Catechism and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer as the topic is about the C of E.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, OldSchool2 said:

The Bible over rules both the Catholic Catechism and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer as the topic is about the C of E.

The Bible is the Christian's final authority on all matters of Christian faith and practice, period.