Faith without works is Dead

[frienduff thaylorde]

ARISE PEOPLES ARISE .   Praise the LORD and to the Lord be all glory

[Reinitin]

22 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Exactly. this is why its Christ only saves preaching time to all who know him NOT.    ONLY JESUS is the CHRIST .

I have one more thing to put forward on this topic then my heart can rest on it. please do not thin Im personally adressing you. Only this topic here with my Lord and His Children.

When we meet people who are in a bad place and maybe in partial knowledge or maybe rejected and hurt by false teachers or false doctrins. It is good for us to remember Jesus knows by name all those He can save. He saw the multitude of us in the kingdom of heaven before He created the world. We are just passing through a persons life at a given point in time and we do not know if the Lord is pointing a person who didn't know him yet when he says.

What you did to one if these my brethern you did to me.

Hopefully whoever reads this knows all he said. If you don't I suggest you look it up. I gave you enough to google it.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Reinitin said:

I have one more thing to put forward on this topic then my heart can rest on it. please do not thin Im personally adressing you. Only this topic here with my Lord and His Children.

When we meet people who are in a bad place and maybe in partial knowledge or maybe rejected and hurt by false teachers or false doctrins. It is good for us to remember Jesus knows by name all those He can save. He saw the multitude of us in the kingdom of heaven before He created the world. We are just passing through a persons life at a given point in time and we do not know if the Lord is pointing a person who didn't know him yet when he says.

What you did to one if these my brethern you did to me.

Hopefully whoever reads this knows all he said. If you don't I suggest you look it up. I gave you enough to google it.

Be kind to all.   but be not unequally yoked.   Correct , save some with compassion others with fear.  Just do as the SPIRIT leads.   

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I was hoping others would start catching this.   so many are getting infected with the all inclusive gospel for WORLD peace and unity.

SISTER.   You just sing it.    and let me leave us with this word.

GOD is a JEALOUS GOD.   HE WONT be DENEID and HE wont have the SON DENIED.    HE WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY with OTHER gods.   IT WONT HAPPEN

and any who just comes together in unity of this nonsense is in danger of hell fire .    God don't change.   times do  , people do , BUT NOT GOD.

DENY THE SON , YOU GET DENIED.  and all other relgions and non religious do they own works for salvation or acceptance or whatever.

THEY DENY THE SON as the ONLY WAY to be saved.  AND THEY WILL BE DENIED BY CHRIST in front of all heaven, angels on THAT DAY, HIS DAY.

I am warning any and all,   DENY JESUS you will be DENIED and tell others their way is okay and don't warn them repent and come to Christ , and all their blood

is on you.   Makes for one heck of a lake of fire judgment.   JESUS did not come to die so interfaith could make a JOKE OUT HIM.  and it ends on my watch NOW.

So many are ignoring what God said and Jesus taught to their peril..........they are making up their own religion and calling it Christianity.......meanwhile there is only one gospel that saves, only one way to life, and it isn't man's versions of it.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Remember what GOD said.    IF you say in your heart I knew it not , I did not see ,   DOES NOT THE LORD KNOW THE HEART.

OH, he KNOWS what we knew.  IF we see someone in danger of hell fire, but wont pull one out .  that person heard not the trumpet

he will die in his sins.........but HIS BLOOD will I require at your hand.   LOVE WARNS and it does all to reach out , save a soul.

And now a word.

THEREFORE KNOWING THE TERROR of the LORD we persuade ALL .

has become , therefore knowing god loves all , no need to warn any.    

[Reinitin]

14 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Be kind to all.   but be not unequally yoked.   Correct , save some with compassion others with fear.  Just do as the SPIRIT leads.   

Love you:) God bless you.

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Reinitin said:

Here is James the diciple of our Lord Jesus. Here is the heart of this message. Faith without works is dead. BTW copying this to paste it in this chat is a miracle of The Lord itself. why are we not dinning on these beautiful words from our Lord in the new spirit we recieve from him?

2 My brothers, do not show favoritism as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ. ² For example, a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and a poor man dressed in dirty clothes also comes in.³ If you look with favor on the man wearing the fine clothes and say, “Sit here in a good place,” and yet you say to the poor man, “Stand over there,” or, “Sit here on the floor by my footstool,” ⁴ haven’t you discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

⁵ Listen, my dear brothers: Didn’t God choose the poor in this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom that He has promised to those who love Him? ⁶ Yet you dishonored that poor man. Don’t the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? ⁷ Don’t they blaspheme the noble name that was pronounced over you at your baptism?

⁸ Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself,^[a] you are doing well. ⁹ But if you show favoritism, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. ¹⁰ For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all. ¹¹ For He who said, Do not commit adultery,^[b] also said, Do not murder.^[c] So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

¹² Speak and act as those who will be judged by the law of freedom. ¹³ For judgment is without mercy to the one who hasn’t shown mercy.Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Faith and Works

¹⁴ What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith^[d] save him?

¹⁵ If a brother or sister is without clothes and lacks daily food ¹⁶ and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you don’t give them what the body needs, what good is it?¹⁷ In the same way faith, if it doesn’t have works, is dead by itself.

¹⁸ But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”^[e] Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works.^[f] 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder.

²⁰ Foolish man! Are you willing to learn that faith without works is useless?

here in galations Paul is telling us the same thing as James just explaining it more gentile friendly the James. James if you read his letter also puts in all the road blocks for those who think their righteousness or position in heaven can be obtained or lost by obedience to the Law.

 

5 Christ has liberated us to be free. Stand firm then and don’t submit again to a yoke of slavery. ² Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get yourselves circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. ³ Again I testify to every man who gets himself circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law. ⁴ You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace. ⁵ For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hopeof righteousness. ⁶ For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything; what matters is faith working through love.

⁷ You were running well. Who prevented you from obeying the truth? ⁸ This persuasion did not come from the One who called you. ⁹ A little yeast leavens the whole lump of dough. ¹⁰ I have confidence in the Lord you will not accept any other view. But whoever it is that is confusing you will pay the penalty. ¹¹ Now brothers, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.¹² I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!

¹³ For you were called to be free, brothers; only don’t use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. ¹⁴ For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement:Love your neighbor as yourself.^[a] 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.

Amen sister, I do love it and feast on it....but was Paul biting and devouring when he said he wished those who are disturbing would get castrated themselves?  I think you are taking things the wrong way as being legalistic....because of being hurt and seeing others being hurt by those wielding the word of God in a wrong spirit......I have seen this a lot in those who need healing of hurts etc, kind of a blockage in their heart causes them to get turned out of the way on some things.  But His truth is true,  it never changes, it's just sort of hanging there perpetually for all to see,  a plumbline with no shadow of turning at all, and it doesn't matter what our feelings are or what we have experienced in life, the truth doesn't change to suit anyone's problems or sins, or whether they have sensitivities or too many comforts in life , or whatever anyone's situation is, it's just the same truth for everyone, and that's all there is to it, and wherever we find we are not true to plumb on some things it's up to us to seek the Lord and change.  Is it possible that you have heard certain words spoken in a wrong spirit, so now whenever you hear those same words you are taking them in that same wrong spirit.....but that would be in your own heart in a case like that, not the one bringing God's word....and please don't take me amiss on that, I mean it kindly.  Just that we don't accuse God of being unrighteous, because others have been unrighteous in His name.

Something else too, where I was reading Heb. 13:22........that we need to ENDURE/SUFFER the word of exhortation, and elsewhere it talks about ENDURING sound doctrine.  It doesn't always feel good to our flesh, it can be like fuller's soap scrubbing us down on the inside.  But to profit from His word, we must gird ourselves and learn to endure it those times when it hurts some, and I find what it mostly hurts is pride, like where I thought I was righteous, but oops there's a nasty spot.  That is not God being unkind, He is just washing us with the water of His word and sometimes there are some stubborn bits of flesh clinging that just need a little scrubbing.

[Reinitin]

On 9/11/2017 at 5:13 PM, Heleadethme said:

Amen sister, I do love it and feast on it....but was Paul biting and devouring when he said he wished those who are disturbing would get castrated themselves?  I think you are taking things the wrong way as being legalistic....because of being hurt and seeing others being hurt by those wielding the word of God in a wrong spirit......I have seen this a lot in those who need healing of hurts etc, kind of a blockage in their heart causes them to get turned out of the way on some things.  But His truth is true,  it never changes, it's just sort of hanging there perpetually for all to see,  a plumbline with no shadow of turning at all, and it doesn't matter what our feelings are or what we have experienced in life, the truth doesn't change to suit anyone's problems or sins, or whether they have sensitivities or too many comforts in life , or whatever anyone's situation is, it's just the same truth for everyone, and that's all there is to it, and wherever we find we are not true to plumb on some things it's up to us to seek the Lord and change.  Is it possible that you have heard certain words spoken in a wrong spirit, so now whenever you hear those same words you are taking them in that same wrong spirit.....but that would be in your own heart in a case like that, not the one bringing God's word....and please don't take me amiss on that, I mean it kindly.  Just that we don't accuse God of being unrighteous, because others have been unrighteous in His name.

Something else too, where I was reading Heb. 13:22........that we need to ENDURE/SUFFER the word of exhortation, and elsewhere it talks about ENDURING sound doctrine.  It doesn't always feel good to our flesh, it can be like fuller's soap scrubbing us down on the inside.  But to profit from His word, we must gird ourselves and learn to endure it those times when it hurts some, and I find what it mostly hurts is pride, like where I thought I was righteous, but oops there's a nasty spot.  That is not God being unkind, He is just washing us with the water of His word and sometimes there are some stubborn bits of flesh clinging that just need a little scrubbing.

No Paul was not. He risked his life to offer the Salvation of God through Jesus Christ to them. He prayed for them and had built a relationship with them and through His God given authority he was protecting the believers he established. He was correcting an error and deception that came from Jerusalem.  Men usurping authority of Christ and the church that was never given to them. Paul wasn't telling the people we are told about in acts 15 that were going around with their knifes telling people they had to be circumcised to enter into the Salvation of God offered through Christ. Paul was talking to his church that was being dominated, manipulated and intiminated by self appointed prophets. We allow maipulators to manipulate, controling people to control, intemidating people to intemidate us. Paul was teaching them to stand up to them and preach the gospel back to them. Tell them that they are not sent by the Lord they are not from the Lord. If they needed to be circumsized Paul would of told them they needed to be circumsized. He never told them cause Jesus and the dicsiples never gave witness to that. It was a false teaching that didn't come from the Lord. They needed to be grounded in Christ and not be so easily decieved.

Paul preached the gospel to them spent alot of time teaching. Established a church and elders everyone was baptised. Then came the false prophets and added from their own mind "now you have to be circumsized and become Jews" and people believed them.

Paul was not scolding the false teachers he was encouraging the church to stand against them.

In acts 16 when paul leaves Jerusalem to take the message to the gentile church they need to stay clean of sexual impurity and stay away from the 3 idolatry sins that would disrupt fellowship, they do not need to be circumsized.

We see paul and silas preaching the gospel to 2 different household and baptising them. No one will say in heaven I came through water. Teaching "the water saves" is no different then the false teachers saying, "circumsion saves."

Acts 2:23 when peter said be baptised for the remission of sin. In greek that does not say to recieve the remmision of sin as a result. When you read it in greek the gospel was presented like this. He gave ( Present testimony of Christ), you recieve (His promises and purpose) then He commanded us to command you to baptise "because of" the remission of sin.

People who take be baptised out of the good news false teachers as much those guys trying circumcise.

The whole teaching is based on rebellion and false assumptions. Jesus who's coming was foretold by the prophets, who demonstrated the power of God, who was crusified for or Sin, resurected from the grave and seen by us ascended on High to be seated at the right hand of the Father told us to baptise you. Sent us to baptise you who recieve His message. Where is the water? if that is not the gospel people Proclaim then they teach a false gospel and are not sent by the Lord. Jesus sent them and told them to baptise. Why? You can come up with reasons, formulas, assumptions but regardless. It is what he said. If we are sent with His message from heaven. We do not add nor take away from The Lord's message.

Now, There are chaplains in afganistan that do not have water to baptise the soldiers and it is the blood on the mercy seat offered for our sin that is accepted by God. So they take hand fulls of sand when the message is recieved and say 'Lord we have no water but we have this sand except it as our willingness to obey your message. They do not change the Lord's word like false teachers do.

People can  justify, rationalize, speculate but it does not change the fact the Lord was baptised to fulfill righteousness and he had no sins to wash.

The Lord of Glory, Creator of heaven and earth's message Includes baptise and tell men to be baptised. It is the message from the kingdom of heaven. If  Messanger concludes with "you don't have to be baptised" They are not sent by the Lord.  If they leave out Be baptised and are not ready to baptise you they are not sent by the Lord with His message. They are a false witness to the truth and self appointed Prophets. Rat posion is 99.5 percent corn.

Pauls letters referance that he is writing to believers already baptised and baptising. He doesn't command them to do it in his letters because the had already done it and were doing it. Paul was dealing with false teachings and teachers arising in the church and in his words to Those "already baptized".

Edited September 13, 2017 by Reinitin

[Heleadethme]

12 hours ago, Reinitin said:

No Paul was not. He risked his life to offer the Salvation of God through Jesus Christ to them. He prayed for them and had built a relationship with them and through His God given authority he was protecting the believers he established. He was correcting an error and deception that came from Jerusalem.  Men usurping authority of Christ and the church that was never given to them. Paul wasn't telling the people we are told about in acts 15 that were going around with their knifes telling people they had to be circumcised to enter into the Salvation of God offered through Christ. Paul was talking to his church that was being dominated, manipulated and intiminated by self appointed prophets. We allow maipulators to manipulate, controling people to control, intemidating people to intemidate us. Paul was teaching them to stand up to them and preach the gospel back to them. Tell them that they are not sent by the Lord they are not from the Lord. If they needed to be circumsized Paul would of told them they needed to be circumsized. He never told them cause Jesus and the dicsiples never gave witness to that. It was a false teaching that didn't come from the Lord. They needed to be grounded in Christ and not be so easily decieved.

Paul preached the gospel to them spent alot of time teaching. Established a church and elders everyone was baptised. Then came the false prophets and added from their own mind "now you have to be circumsized and become Jews" and people believed them.

Paul was not scolding the false teachers he was encouraging the church to stand against them.

In acts 16 when paul leaves Jerusalem to take the message to the gentile church they need to stay clean of sexual impurity and stay away from the 3 idolatry sins that would disrupt fellowship, they do not need to be circumsized. We see paul and silas preaching the gospel to 2 different household and baptising them. No one will say in heaven I came through water. Teaching the water saves is no different then the false teachers saying circumsion saves.

Acts 2:23 when peter said be baptised for the remission of sin. In greek that does not say to recieve the remmision of sin as a result. When you read it in greek the gospel was presented like this. He gave ( Present testimony of Christ), you recieve (His promises and purpose) then he command us to command you to baptise "because of" the remission of sin. People who take be baptised out of the good news are as false teachers as those guys trying circumcise.

The whole teaching is based on rebellion and false assumptions. Jesus who's coming was foretold by the prophets, who demonstrated the power of God who was crusified for or Sin, resurected from the grave and seen by us ascended on High to be seated at the right hand of the Father told us to baptise you. Sent us to baptise you who recieve His message. Where is the water? if that is not the gospel people Proclaim then they teach a false gospel and are not sent by the Lord. Jesus sent them and told them to baptise. Why? You can come up with reasons, formulas, assumptions but regardless. It is what he said. If we are sent we do nor add nor take away from The Lords message.

Now, There are chaplains in afganistan that do not have water to baptise the soldiers and it is the blood on the mercy seat offered for our sin that is accepted by God. So they take hand fulls of sand when the message is recieved and say 'Lord we have no water but we have this sand except it as our willingness to obey your message. They do not chabge the Lords word like false teachers do.

People can  justify, speculate but it does not change.

The Lord of Glory, Creator of heaven and earth's message Includes baptise and tell men to be baptised. It is the message from the kingdom of heaven. If  Messanger concludes with "you don't have to be baptised" They are not sent by the Lord.  If they leave out Be baptised and are not ready to baptise you they are not sent by the Lord with His message. They are a false witness to the truth and a self appointed Prophet. Rat posion is 99.5 percent corn.

I am not sure what you are arguing against here Reinitin or if we are talking about the same thing.......sure Paul was rebuking/chastising false teachers......and he even went to Peter's face and rebuked him before the whole church at one point when he was going wrong.   All I'm saying is that this is what God's word does......it chastises, rebukes, reproves, corrects us, as well as encouraging, comforting, instructing, building up........it's ALL part of the fencing on the sheepfold, and that His word doesn't change is exactly what I'm saying.  Just because something doesn't feel good.......doesn't mean it isn't God.  The church has become too soft and hog-tied, paralyzed, by political correctness to be effective nowadays with the result that nobody changes and grows or gets built up and all sorts of false leaven has gotten in and grown the dough into a monster because of being left uncorrected.  Instead of being a conquering army, the church has become more like a Club Med.  Anyhow it looks like we're agreeing that His word doesn't change....amen to that sister.

[Heleadethme]

19 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

I am not sure what you are arguing against here Reinitin or if we are talking about the same thing.......sure Paul was rebuking/chastising false teachers......and he even went to Peter's face and rebuked him before the whole church at one point when he was going wrong.   All I'm saying is that this is what God's word does......it chastises, rebukes, reproves, corrects us, as well as encouraging, comforting, instructing, building up........it's ALL part of the fencing on the sheepfold, and that His word doesn't change is exactly what I'm saying.  Just because something doesn't feel good.......doesn't mean it isn't God.  The church has become too soft and hog-tied, paralyzed, by political correctness to be effective nowadays with the result that nobody changes and grows or gets built up and all sorts of false leaven has gotten in and grown the dough into a monster because of being left uncorrected.  Instead of being a conquering army, the church has become more like a Club Med.  Anyhow it looks like we're agreeing that His word doesn't change....amen to that sister.

Just want to add, that another thing about His truth is that we have to pay a price for it........BUY the truth but sell it not, count the COST of following Jesus, BUY gold refined in the fire.....and that those who have received a love of the truth, well they love it enough to pay the price of receiving it.  And that really this is the works that God is after too, without which faith is dead.......paying that price to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Christ......that is the works of believing on the one God has sent, where faith is tested, tried and proven.