Roman Catholic Church Unknown In Holy Writ!

[Gerioke]

You've done very well here, Brother Bill, but no amount of proof, personal testimony, logic, or Scripture is going to change the minds of the Catholic Haters.

[serotta]

Facts? Noone has yet brought any scriptural basis for which a person is allowed to pray to a departed saint.

is this not idolatry?

Holy Mary Mother of God

Queen of Heaven

Virgin of Virgins?

MARY ISN'T EVEN A VIRGIN ANY MORE! SHE HAD 4 OTHER SONS AND AT LEAST TWO DAUGHTERS THAT ARE RECORDED IN THE SCRIPTURES.

First, I'd sure like for you to explain how that practice could be considered idolatry.

Second, while I believe the evidence is strong that Mary had other children, a case can be made to the contrary. Either way, whether or not Mary had other children has no bearing on our salvation.

The title "queen of heaven" however does have serious implications. Mary is NOT the queen of heaven, and the only queen of heaven mentioned in the bible is in Jeremiah, and it is an idol (the moon).

[other one]

As I read through the bible (many times now) it seems to me that Jesus told us that we should ask in his name when we pray.

Also when the disciples asked him to teach them how to pray he replied:

Luke 11:1-4

Matt 6:9-13

9 "Pray, then, in this way:

'Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.

10'Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done,

On earth as it is in heaven.

11'Give us this day our daily bread.

12'And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13'And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.]'

NASB

It seems to me that His example is to take our petition strait to the father, and to do so in His name.

I don't understand by what authority some pray to or through any other but to the Father through the Son.

I have not been through the RCC class to learn about such things, but I've read the bible several times and I just don't understand where the authority comes from.

William please forgive my skepticism here, for I was raised in the Church of Christ where I was taught that anyone not baptized by a member of that belief was going to hell...... so I usually must really study on these things for myself now as to whether or not to accept them.

As long as you confess that Jesus is Lord (your Lord) and believe that the Father raised Him from the dead, you're OK with me on the basics. From there it seems that whole world has scattered out like the people from Babylon when the Lord confounded their language.

I would only say that there is no better way to the Father than direct through the name of Jesus, but if Aunt Dorey can help....... well I don't know..... don't know if it is possible or even necessary.

I won't be like my CoC brothers and condemn you to hell over it though

[William Putnam]

I believe that you are mistaken but I pray that the Lords grace will suffice

Blessings

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Thank you, as I fall short of the glory of God and need all the prayers I can get.

God bless,

PAX

Bill+

[William Putnam]

You've done very well here, Brother Bill, but no amount of proof, personal testimony, logic, or Scripture is going to change the minds of the Catholic Haters. 

You do not realize how comforting it is to have the mind hermetically sealed against the polluting influence of facts!

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Thank you for the support, but I have encountered this for 20+ years in my defending the Faith, good sir!

But I fear this thread will soon be locked on my being here...and definding my Faith...

God bless,

PAX

Bill+

[Gerioke]

You've done very well here, Brother Bill, but no amount of proof, personal testimony, logic, or Scripture is going to change the minds of the Catholic Haters.

[William Putnam]

Geroike replied, where I last said:

But I fear this thread will soon be locked on my being here...and definding my Faith...

I personally don't see you doing anything wrong. In fact I've seen a lot worse behavior coming from our brothers. I just don't agree with your faith

That part I can live with! I do not come into these forums to proselytize anyone, but rather to defend my faith when it is challenged. Your "not believing in it" does not upset me at all!

God bless,

PAX

Bill+

[apothanein kerdos]

I do not agree with Catholic doctrine, but need we be so anti-Catholic? They are not a cult, they are not antichrist, and those who truly love the Lord and have accepted Him will go to heaven...like it or not.

Revelation 5:8 states that only the elders and four creatures are the ones who bring the prayers of the saints (for all who have accepted Christ are saints). Plus, Acts 8:24, Romans 15:30, Ephesians 6:19, 1 Thessalonians 5:25, 2 Thessalonians 3:1, and Hebrews 13:18 all include request of prayer from those who are counted among the living. We also know that the purpose of those in heaven is to worship God continually and to have every tear wiped from their eyes (Greek metaphor to not know pain or suffering, ginosko, the Greek idea of knowing, not the Hebrew one). Thus how could one in Heaven take a prayer of suffering and place it before God when they are not to know what suffering is?

[William Putnam]

Thank you for the support, but I have encountered this for 20+ years in my defending the Faith, good sir!

[Gerioke]

Holy Holy Holy , Lord God Almighty

Also God's music

I believe WSB means well but doesn't really have a great bedside manner

Pray that he finds compassion

in Jesus name

Amen