Lucifers creation and rebellion.

[simplejeff]

False teachings twisting the clear meaning of Scripture like that were dismissed long ago. 

Stick with Scripture.  Pray constantly.  Seek Yahweh's Kingdom always.  (not myths and fables made up by man or demons)

[HAZARD]

11 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

So, you're still promoting the teaching of the pedophile and adulterer, Finis Jennings Dake.

Dake was also a false teacher and promoted heresies.  Those who have godly discernment and are filled with the Holy Spirit will reject Dake's  teachings promoted here.   They are anathema (cursed of God).

if that's the best rebuttal you can ever come up with, I must say, its as all ways, pretty weak.

Just for you oh righteous one who allegedly it seems has never sinned.

Matt. 7:1, Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Luke 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

[simplejeff]

Against the heresies here , nothing more is needed:  all those who have the LIGHT of TRUTH recognize the gross errors and the twisting of Scripture.

[HAZARD]

No angel was in any holy mountain of God when an earthly king of Tyre ruled, so the reference is to the eternal past when the cherub himself had a literal throne on earth on the holy mountain of God.

Here we have an insight into the position of Lucifer before his fall, and a revelation regarding the cause of his fall (V. 13-17). The term mountain of God occurs seven times (V. 14, 16; Ex. 3:1; 4:27; 18:5; 24:13; 1 Kings 19:8). The mountain of the Lord occurs six times(Gen. 22:14; Num. 10:33; Isa. 2:3; 30:29: Mic. 4:2; Zech. 8:3). All these Scriptures do not refer to the same mountain in the same place, as can be seen from the various passages.

 

The time of his iniquity was when he rebelled against God to exalt his throne and kingdom from earth to heaven (Isa. 14:12-14). The time of his corruption and sin was surely before the days of Adam for Lucifer was already a fallen creature at the time he came into Adams Eden (Gen. 2; 2 Cor. 11:3).

Heb. rekullah, traffic. It refers to Lucifers walking up and down slandering God to his own subjects on earth, and to God's subjects among the angels, until he had all his earthly subjects rebelling against the creator, as well as over one-third of the angels (Isa. 14:12-14; 2 Pet. 3:4-6; Rev. 12:4). Whatever it was, it is clear here that the behaviour resulted in violence; and Lucifer sinned and broke with God. This could never refer to an earthly king, as the ruler of Tyre, carrying on ordinary trade with the nations. It definitely concerns the traffic of a cherub, not a man. All trade between nations in the entire world could not cause an angel to sin as here in V.16.

Lucifer has already been humbled before kings for he was cast down to the ground before all the nations over whom he ruled previous to the time of Adam (Isa.14:12-14). He will again be brought down in the deepest humiliation before the kings of the earth whom he will lead with Antichrist in the battle of Armageddon (Rev. 12:7-12; 16:13-16; 19:11-21; 30:1-3). Then again at the end of the Millennium he will be brought down to Hell before all the kings and others who will spend eternity with him in the lake of FIRE (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 20:10).

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33 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Against the heresies here , nothing more is needed:  all those who have the LIGHT of TRUTH recognize the gross errors and the twisting of Scripture.

And you have the light of truth? Anyone can easily say that, now prove it.

No angel of God was in any holy mountain of God when an earthly king of Tyre ruled, so the reference is to the eternal past when the cherub himself had a literal throne on earth on the holy mountain of God.

Here we have an insight into the position of Lucifer before his fall, and a revelation regarding the cause of his fall (V. 13-17). The term mountain of God occurs seven times (V. 14, 16; Ex. 3:1; 4:27; 18:5; 24:13; 1 Kings 19:8). The mountain of the Lord occurs six times(Gen. 22:14; Num. 10:33; Isa. 2:3; 30:29: Mic. 4:2; Zech. 8:3). All these Scriptures do not refer to the same mountain in the same place, as can be seen from the various passages.

The time of his iniquity was when he rebelled against God to exalt his throne and kingdom from earth to heaven (Isa. 14:12-14). The time of his corruption and sin was surely before the days of Adam for Lucifer was already a fallen creature at the time he came into Adams Eden (Gen. 2; 2 Cor. 11:3).

Heb. rekullah, traffic. It refers to Lucifers walking up and down slandering God to his own subjects on earth, and to God's subjects among the angels, until he had all his earthly subjects rebelling against the creator, as well as over one-third of the angels (Isa. 14:12-14; 2 Pet. 3:4-6; Rev. 12:4). Whatever it was, it is clear here that the behaviour resulted in violence; and Lucifer sinned and broke with God. This could never refer to an earthly king, as the ruler of Tyre, carrying on ordinary trade with the nations. It definitely concerns the traffic of a cherub, not a man. All trade between nations in the entire world could not cause an angel to sin as here in V.16.

Lucifer has already been humbled before kings for he was cast down to the ground before all the nations over whom he ruled previous to the time of Adam (Isa.14:12-14). He will again be brought down in the deepest humiliation before the kings of the earth whom he will lead with Antichrist in the battle of Armageddon (Rev. 12:7-12; 16:13-16; 19:11-21; 30:1-3). Then again at the end of the Millennium he will be brought down to Hell before all the kings and others who will spend eternity with him in the lake of FIRE (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 20:10).

 

Again, and you have the light of truth? Anyone can easily say that, now prove it?

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1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

False teachings twisting the clear meaning of Scripture like that were dismissed long ago. 

Stick with Scripture.  Pray constantly.  Seek Yahweh's Kingdom always.  (not myths and fables made up by man or demons)

Sadly, as Peter said there were scoffers who were ignorant of the truth, that you claim to have. Sorry, old mate, you seem to be following in their footsteps.

2 Peter 3:5-7 expresses this clearly in plain human language, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing (emerging) out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:

But the heavens and the Earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is where people become confused and say the world "that then was," was the world before Noah's flood, but this cannot be because:

If the world that THAT THEN WAS" is that between Adam and the flood of Noah, then God created The heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW" since the flood of Noah. Noah and his family lived prior to his flood and after it. The world "THAT THEN WAS PERISHED" and everything in it also perished. What change could Noah's flood make to the heavens? None, for floods on Earth can never cover the heavens. The earth, vegetation, the heavens, all remained the same after Noah's flood.

Peter, in (2 Peter 3:3-7) taught that scoffers were totally ignorant of the flood that destroyed the social system and the earth "that then was" (lucifers flood). These scoffers all knew of Noah's flood and still know today. This proves that the truth of the flood that destroyed the original creation was hidden from them, while they knew about Noah's flood.

What was it that the scoffers were ignorant of unless it was the destruction of the social system before Adam?

[hmbld]

No need to get personal. The teaching does not align with scripture. I don't need to prove what is false, just stick to the truth, all this has been repeated here many times and I did listen to you, but it did not align with scripture. 

[simplejeff]

13 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

So, you're still promoting the teaching of the pedophile and adulterer, Finis Jennings Dake.

Dake was also a false teacher and promoted heresies.  Those who have godly discernment and are filled with the Holy Spirit will reject Dake's  teachings promoted here.   They are anathema (cursed of God).

 

Good to see so many STANDING ON GOD'S WORD  and not swallowing the poisonous false teachings of the pedophile Dake or whoever promotes them.

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1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

if that's the best rebuttal you can ever come up with, I must say, its as all ways, pretty weak.

It's not a rebuttal.   It's a condemnation of the heresies and moral inconsistencies that are always ignored by those who blindly follow after men.

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Just for you oh righteous one who allegedly it seems has never sinned.

This is not about having never sinned.  It is about not falling for the false teachings of a man who was never repentant of his own gross moral sins.

 

[HAZARD]

13 minutes ago, hmbld said:

No need to get personal. The teaching does not align with scripture. I don't need to prove what is false, just stick to the truth, all this has been repeated here many times and I did listen to you, but it did not align with scripture. 

 

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

It's not a rebuttal.   It's a condemnation of the heresies and moral inconsistencies that are always ignored by those who blindly follow after men.

This is not about having never sinned.  It is about not falling for the false teachings of a man who was never repentant of his own gross moral sins.

 

It is a little personal in a way. Your accusing me of teaching and passing on teachings of a heretic. How do you know he never repented in private before he died, how do you know that?

And how it this false teaching? God never created the heavens and the earth after Noah's flood? The sun, moon and stars never perished? Humans and animals never perished? The world that then was perished and the world that is now is the recreated earth.

2 Peter 3:5-7 expresses this clearly in plain human language, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing (emerging) out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:

But the heavens and the Earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is where people become confused and say the world "that then was," was the world before Noah's flood, but this cannot be because:

If the world that THAT THEN WAS" is that between Adam and the flood of Noah, then God created The heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW" since the flood of Noah. Noah and his family lived prior to his flood and after it. The world "THAT THEN WAS PERISHED" and everything in it also perished. What change could Noah's flood make to the heavens? None, for floods on Earth can never cover the heavens. The earth, vegetation, the heavens, all remained the same after Noah's flood.

Peter, in (2 Peter 3:3-7) taught that scoffers were totally ignorant of the flood that destroyed the social system and the earth "that then was" (lucifers flood). These scoffers all knew of Noah's flood and still know today. This proves that the truth of the flood that destroyed the original creation was hidden from them, while they knew about Noah's flood.

What was it that the scoffers were ignorant of unless it was the destruction of the social system before Adam?