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27 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

It is one thing to desire His return.  It is another thing to think that prayer can cause Him to move faster than He has already sovereignly determined by His own Will.  

Jesus will come back when HE is ready, not when we tell Him to.   WE have no effect on that, and you just need to accept that truth and stop with this silly notion that we can change His mind on the matter.   God has a plan and a purpose and it is working out according to His will and His will alone. 

I see you're missing the point. We are not trying to change Gods mind. Instead we are doing his will: pray and hasten the Lords coming.

Think of it this way. Can we delay his coming? First ask what will lead up to his coming? The end will come when the Gospel has been preached to all nations. If we don't preach to other nations, how will he come?

This is of course irrelevant from the point of his will. Because he says these things WILL happen. Because we ARE part of his plan. He wants us to do his will. Again, to pray and hasten the Lords coming. So what are we to do? We pray and hasten his coming.

Your response implies that, we think our prayers will make him come whenever we want. 

Again, we are all one body. We work together to preach the gospel. If our prayers and hastening counted for nothing, we would not be a part of the body. The Lord would do his will without us intervening.

"Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same function, so in Christ we who are many are one body, and each member belongs to one another." "He is the head of the body, the church". 

Therefore, everything we do is counted for something. If God did not want us to do his will, there would be no need for a Gospel. 

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I would like to really thank @shiloh357 for raising his points, that lead to the amazing clarifications by @Yowm and @MyLordsServant. I'd also say that this last explanation from MyLordsServant is incredibly well-written, I agree with every word. Thanks, all brothers and sisters for this very interesting exchange :)

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11 minutes ago, MyLordsServant said:

I see you're missing the point. We are not trying to change Gods mind. Instead we are doing his will: pray and hasten the Lords coming.

Think of it this way. Can we delay his coming? First ask what will lead up to his coming? The end will come when the Gospel has been preached to all nations. If we don't preach to other nations, how will he come?

This is of course irrelevant from the point of his will. Because he says these things WILL happen. Because we ARE part of his plan. He wants us to do his will. Again, to pray and hasten the Lords coming. So what are we to do? We pray and hasten his coming.

Your response implies that, we think our prayers will make him come whenever we want. 

Again, we are all one body. We work together to preach the gospel. If our prayers and hastening counted for nothing, we would not be a part of the body. The Lord would do his will without us intervening.

"Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same function, so in Christ we who are many are one body, and each member belongs to one another." "He is the head of the body, the church". 

Therefore, everything we do is counted for something. If God did not want us to do his will, there would be no need for a Gospel. 

How are you using the word "hasten?"

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20 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

How are you using the word "hasten?"

I'd like to share my opinion on this too, eager to listen MyLordsServant's one.

In my opinion, in the same way by which people usually hope to be satisfied by making any other prayers.

For instance, a guy could need some courage to testify the Lord. He knows that maybe one day he will get it, or the Lord will give Him, but he wants it as soon as possible, in order to be able to testify the Lord's glory to unbelievers.

It is a good prayer, so he asks the Lord to shorten the time before he receives this gift. He doesn't want it "one day", he wants it as soon as possible, if that is in accordance to God's will too of course.

God, before the prayer, wasn't forcing the courage upon this guy, even though He wanted to give him His gifts. After the prayer, God is more than happy to share this gift, if He thinks there are no other side effects.

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So you can imagine this timeline, in God's decision about the day. 

By looking at the future, he has seen some of His elects crying and shouting Him to be delivered from evil.

He then considered other things that are mysterious to us, in addition to these prayers, to set the right date.

He did this by forecasting the future, and He forecasted the prayers of the elects and gave importance to them.

He also forecasted as MyLordsServant said, that his elects would have spread this Gospel all over the world, and for some mysterious reasons, He wanted to make His decision by taking this into account too.

So the times are shortened, with respect to a timeline in which there are NO prayers, or no people spreading the Gospel.

Imagine the same timeline, but in which not only nobody is asking the Lord to return, but some of them called "Christians" secretly hope that He will never come. In this timeline, God has a reason less to shorten the time, when He set the date.

 

Luckily, seems like in our timeline there are people eager to see the Lord and who are asking this prayer, that in other words is the Lord's prayer.

I've been told that ancient Christians were making this prayer, then for some mysterious reasons, we got rid of such beautiful thing. Maybe we can get it back.

 

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41 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

How are you using the word "hasten?"

If you look to 2 Peter 3:12, the author makes a clear distinction between "anticipating" and "hastening".

Anticipate, is "to look forward to". Some confuse this with hasten. But some don't even anticipate and rather discourage it. In churches today, the attitude of Christians is this; on the day of Christs return, "nice to have you back".

The word hasten in Greek refers to, "urge on". In Hebrew, you'll find hasten means, "to quicken". So how can we quicken the end? By preaching the Gospel to all nations. How can we urge on the end? By praying and asking God to come quickly. In order to understand these things, you have to discard any notion of what you think God knows. Because in fact, our minds are insignificant to understand what God knows and is. That being so, focus on what it written about prayer and doing Gods will. By doing so and following the clear words of the scripture, we shorten the time to his coming. Again, don't assume to know what God thinks. Just do what he says. 

If we are told to hasten, then hasten we will. If you don't, someone else will. But make sure you are not the one Jesus refers to as, "wicked and slothful servant".

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52 minutes ago, MyLordsServant said:

If you look to 2 Peter 3:12, the author makes a clear distinction between "anticipating" and "hastening".

Anticipate, is "to look forward to". Some confuse this with hasten. But some don't even anticipate and rather discourage it. In churches today, the attitude of Christians is this; on the day of Christs return, "nice to have you back".

The word hasten in Greek refers to, "urge on". In Hebrew, you'll find hasten means, "to quicken". So how can we quicken the end? By preaching the Gospel to all nations. How can we urge on the end? By praying and asking God to come quickly. In order to understand these things, you have to discard any notion of what you think God knows. Because in fact, our minds are insignificant to understand what God knows and is. That being so, focus on what it written about prayer and doing Gods will. By doing so and following the clear words of the scripture, we shorten the time to his coming. Again, don't assume to know what God thinks. Just do what he says. 

If we are told to hasten, then hasten we will. If you don't, someone else will. But make sure you are not the one Jesus refers to as, "wicked and slothful servant".

The OP, in his opening comments, talked  about hastening the Lord's return in the sense of making it happen faster if we were all united in prayer.

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13 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

Then we would do well to also keep in mind all of what God says here:

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.  But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." (2 Peter 3:3-13, NASB, emphasis mine)

While this passage says "hastening the coming of the day", it also says "the Lord is patient towards you" and "not willing that any should perish". Had the Rapture or the Second Coming happened say 20 or 30 years ago, I think it's safe to say a considerable number of us would not have been saved.

While we're racing to the finish line, we need to be careful that we're not running anyone over.

The focus here is not only praying that Jesus comes quicker. It is also, that we must preach the gospel to all nations, "then" the end will come. 

Like I mentioned earlier, we know the Lord will come when the harvest is ripe. The faster we as Christians spread the water(Gospel) over the seeds(people), the faster it will ripen. The sooner the sickle will collect the wheat from the tares. 

Looks like my post there was taken out of context, it was a specific reply to a point shiloh357 made, not a general point.

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http://biblehub.com/amos/5-18.htm

There's a lot of people in Israel who want the messiah to come and they have no idea what they are wanting.

Did you know when Jesus comes the Israeli women in Jerusalem are raped and the men and children are murdered?

There's a lot of people asking for something and they have no idea what they are asking for.

 

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8 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

http://biblehub.com/amos/5-18.htm

There's a lot of people in Israel who want the messiah to come and they have no idea what they are wanting.

Did you know when Jesus comes the Israeli women in Jerusalem are raped and the men and children are murdered?

There's a lot of people asking for something and they have no idea what they are asking for.

 

They're unknowingly waiting for the antichrist. 

"Did you know when Jesus comes the Israeli women in Jerusalem are raped and the men and children are murdered?"

What exactly do you mean by that. Give me a scripture reference please.

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2 minutes ago, MyLordsServant said:

They're unknowingly waiting for the antichrist. 

"Did you know when Jesus comes the Israeli women in Jerusalem are raped and the men and children are murdered?"

What exactly do you mean by that. Give me a scripture reference please.

I mean what I said.When Jesus comes the Israeli women,in Jerusalem,are being raped.Its in several verses but here is one such verse.

http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm

How exactly is it that you are wanting the day of the Lord and you don't know anything about it?

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