Lead us not into translations: Pope thinks Lord’s Prayer could be improved

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

I agree with avoiding vain arguments......but the Pope rewriting the bible or any part of it is not a vain argument.  It comes across to me that the way the Pope wants to rewrite this particular passage of the Lord's prayer is because he is interpreting "lead us not into temptation" as meaning "lead us not into sin"......and this is just not what the passage means, at all.  He's right if he believes the Lord doesn't lead us to sin......BUT he isn't right in his understanding of that passage or what temptation means.......because that just is not what it is saying or implying.  It seems as though he is equating temptation with sinning......and that is just plain wrong here and everywhere in the bible.  Even worse, this might be a clue that he considers temptation as something that can't be overcome, since he is equating it with sin, it's as though he is assuming that if someone is tempted they are going to sin.  I would be very very careful of any of this man's re-writes......knowing how flesh strives always to justify sin.

Yes.   the reason I do not like this one bit .   Is The pope ALWAYS does something for a hidden reason , for the bigger picture.

And he has done this before .   I believe this man truly does this ,to get the people used to the idea of changes to doctrine.   So when they REALLY go and change something

Big.   it will just be status quo.   This man does NOTHING that he does not want to be SEEN OF MEN .   Their is a reason .

And it aint just in the catholics and interfaith.   I SEEN it in the jews interfaith,   I seen it even in our churches too.

IF you remember , what were the jewish rabbis preaching again .   THEY said MESSIAH would come and make CHANGES TO TORAH

all the while it seems as the pope is doing his changes.   But very crafty I must admit.    See they , this spirit ,   is all about changing , its all about change.

The foundation of our belief IS CHRIST ALONE   , HIS SAYINGS are the KEY upon this.      The enemy wants to change that , all the while saying the name of JESUS

or God .    What so many don't realize is that the goal of satan has been to gather not just jews, not just muslims, atheists , but ALL under one common mindset

so as The entire world as one will surrender in heart and mind unto the system made ready for the beast .  And He is doing it through all inclusive media and religion.

IF the entirety of our foundation is not rooted in JESUS and HIS sayings..............satan knows the house falls .  he knows this .  he does.

Satan has many religious leaders of all religions meeting in one common mindset, they then go out and bring it to their religions .                        

The mission was, break down the foundation by taking from and adding to HIS SAYINGS.  the mission now is  , that this has been largely done,   pump them full of interfaith

all inclusive views.   Under the reign of Rome and Kenny and scores of others in many faiths and other religions ,  a massive delusoin

that will appear as did the Toronto curse, will appear now under the guise of these words...................and pay heed, for they will USE these very words.

FIRE FROM HEAVEN , HOLY GHOST FIRE .  that will be the delusion that brings in the effects of full allegiance to this unity and the mindset

that any who does not go along with it............is a divider and you know what Kenny said does that .............SATAN, so no marvel when they will say we non conformers

are of satan and no marvel when in the time following this,  they will think they do Gods holy service when they have us killed and all in the name of peace, love , unity.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

It doesn't imply that God leads people into temptation.  Temptation isn't referring to being tempted to sin.  The whole sentence says, "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.  "Temptation" often times, in the Bible refers to trials and adversity, attacks from the enemy.  It is a sentence asking God to preserve from harm and from evil.  It doesn't mean we won't face those things, but that God will preserve us in them and through them.

Well.  now we have TWO saying this .  you spot on.  temptation was often DUALY used.  it was also used in place of trials.  as well as fleshly sin temptations.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Debts and trespasses means the same.......and Matthew 18 shows us how debts are used as a parable to portray trespasses which need to be forgiven.  But I have to say, temptations does not mean sin and that seems to be what the Pope wants to turn it into, which is incorrect and misleading.....it completely misses the true meaning and understanding of that verse.  As always the self-righteousness of man subtly judges God as being somehow unrighteous.....(in this case subtly accusing God of leading people to sin)  and that is even the basis on which they embrace the interfaith lie.  oh, Jesus didn't really mean that He is the only way......no that must be wrong too and needs to be rewritten.....surely a righteous God would not say that......in other words implying that God is unrighteous.  I honestly wouldnt' be surprised if they rewrite the entire bible to agree with their agenda by the time this is through.....and ban the true bible.  Another dark ages........only this time it will be lit up with a light that is darkness.

Because most don't know that temptations was dualy used in middle and early modern English.  

James , the message James says uses the same word temptation.  once in the place of being tempted by sin by the flesh.

another in the place of trial.     The pope , as well as many false ones do indeed appear as righteous to many.  they will use bad examples

to justify even more evil examples.   Was that a wee bit hard to grasp.  well let me say it plainly.

They will use bad seeds , like KKK, or like westboro.  they will say they evangelize , OR they say THE BIBLE is absolute authority.

sadly they do.  BUT the pope does this TO JUSTIFY how evangelizing or seeing the bible as absolute authority leads to dangerous things.

SEE HOW THEY WORK.   YET the truth is we must evangelize and the bible is the written authority by which we test all things against

but, to say this now,   makes us seem as we can be dangerous.  THEY DID THEIR WORK sister and much more will they do.

And watch our for the ultimate hyprocrisy.  for it will be seen.

THEY have preached the need for a gentler all inclusive christanity for years now .    and they have even used their own church

in the dark ages as a bad example of evangelizing .  the sword etc.

BUT.    the end result of the so called love gospel of all inclusive love tolerance fest for world peace ENDS with the greatest hyprocrisy ever.

FOR................what do you suppose will happen to those WHO DONT JOIN .   a hint................IFwe think The dark ages was bad

buckle up ROME along with the world will use the largest sword and the mission will be CONVERT OR DIE.  

Do you ever remember these words   .     His words are smoother than butter.........BUT WAR IS IN HIS HEART.

their words sound great , like love, like fellowship , like unity , as a means for world peace

but beware the spirit in them cares for none of this .  it speaks for it has only ONE desire .    Death to all who love Christ .

WAR is in its heart and its desire is to delude the world and make ready its heart as one so it can come against THOSE IT TRULY HATES.

 

[Heleadethme]

20 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Yes.   the reason I do not like this one bit .   Is The pope ALWAYS does something for a hidden reason , for the bigger picture.

And he has done this before .   I believe this man truly does this ,to get the people used to the idea of changes to doctrine.   So when they REALLY go and change something

Big.   it will just be status quo.   This man does NOTHING that he does not want to be SEEN OF MEN .   Their is a reason .

And it aint just in the catholics and interfaith.   I SEEN it in the jews interfaith,   I seen it even in our churches too.

IF you remember , what were the jewish rabbis preaching again .   THEY said MESSIAH would come and make CHANGES TO TORAH

all the while it seems as the pope is doing his changes.   But very crafty I must admit.    See they , this spirit ,   is all about changing , its all about change.

The foundation of our belief IS CHRIST ALONE   , HIS SAYINGS are the KEY upon this.      The enemy wants to change that , all the while saying the name of JESUS

or God .    What so many don't realize is that the goal of satan has been to gather not just jews, not just muslims, atheists , but ALL under one common mindset

so as The entire world as one will surrender in heart and mind unto the system made ready for the beast .  And He is doing it through all inclusive media and religion.

IF the entirety of our foundation is not rooted in JESUS and HIS sayings..............satan knows the house falls .  he knows this .  he does.

Satan has many religious leaders of all religions meeting in one common mindset, they then go out and bring it to their religions .                        

The mission was, break down the foundation by taking from and adding to HIS SAYINGS.  the mission now is  , that this has been largely done,   pump them full of interfaith

all inclusive views.   Under the reign of Rome and Kenny and scores of others in many faiths and other religions ,  a massive delusoin

that will appear as did the Toronto curse, will appear now under the guise of these words...................and pay heed, for they will USE these very words.

FIRE FROM HEAVEN , HOLY GHOST FIRE .  that will be the delusion that brings in the effects of full allegiance to this unity and the mindset

that any who does not go along with it............is a divider and you know what Kenny said does that .............SATAN, so no marvel when they will say we non conformers

are of satan and no marvel when in the time following this,  they will think they do Gods holy service when they have us killed and all in the name of peace, love , unity.

 

Amen.........I think you are onto something important there frienduff........the people are being groomed.........yes and they are experts at grooming as the whole world should know by now if they had even one half of one eyelid open.....grooming is their middle name and wouldn't it be better for some of them to have a millstone hung around their necks and be cast into the sea.  But we are armoured up with keeping upon our hearts that there is no shadow of turning with the Lord, He changeth not and neither does His word.  Yes, it might be a false revival starting at their 2018 Kairos gathering........plan to keep as far away from that as possible, and don't even touch it with 20-foot tongs. 

[Heleadethme]

3 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Because most don't know that temptations was dualy used in middle and early modern English.  

James , the message James says uses the same word temptation.  once in the place of being tempted by sin by the flesh.

another in the place of trial.     The pope , as well as many false ones do indeed appear as righteous to many.  they will use bad examples

to justify even more evil examples.   Was that a wee bit hard to grasp.  well let me say it plainly.

They will use bad seeds , like KKK, or like westboro.  they will say they evangelize , OR they say THE BIBLE is absolute authority.

sadly they do.  BUT the pope does this TO JUSTIFY how evangelizing or seeing the bible as absolute authority leads to dangerous things.

SEE HOW THEY WORK.   YET the truth is we must evangelize and the bible is the written authority by which we test all things against

but, to say this now,   makes us seem as we can be dangerous.  THEY DID THEIR WORK sister and much more will they do.

And watch our for the ultimate hyprocrisy.  for it will be seen.

THEY have preached the need for a gentler all inclusive christanity for years now .    and they have even used their own church

in the dark ages as a bad example of evangelizing .  the sword etc.

BUT.    the end result of the so called love gospel of all inclusive love tolerance fest for world peace ENDS with the greatest hyprocrisy ever.

FOR................what do you suppose will happen to those WHO DONT JOIN .   a hint................IFwe think The dark ages was bad

buckle up ROME along with the world will use the largest sword and the mission will be CONVERT OR DIE.  

Do you ever remember these words   .     His words are smoother than butter.........BUT WAR IS IN HIS HEART.

their words sound great , like love, like fellowship , like unity , as a means for world peace

but beware the spirit in them cares for none of this .  it speaks for it has only ONE desire .    Death to all who love Christ .

WAR is in its heart and its desire is to delude the world and make ready its heart as one so it can come against THOSE IT TRULY HATES.

 

Amen.....tempted and tried.......but being tempted to sin is not the same as actually sinning.  When we are in a trial we are tempted to take the easy way out by disobeying God or turn to false comforts, etc., that is why trials are called temptations......as well as there are everyday kind of temptations to sin which are not attached to trials........but temptation in any form is never equivalent to sinning, but rather we are called to overcome.

Amen, it is all highly deceptive and seems so right to the mind of carnal man.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen.....tempted and tried.......but being tempted to sin is not the same as actually sinning.  When we are in a trial we are tempted to take the easy way out by disobeying God or turn to false comforts, etc., that is why trials are called temptations......as well as there are everyday kind of temptations to sin which are not attached to trials........but temptation in any form is never equivalent to sinning, but rather we are called to overcome.

Amen, it is all highly deceptive and seems so right to the mind of carnal man.

You are spot on.   We are allowed to be tempted, JUST as CHRIST was led by the SPIRIT into the desert to be tempted.  NOT by the SPIRIT was he tempted

BUT BY THE DEVIL.  but we are allowed to be tempted.  being tempted is NOT FROM GOD.  that comes from our own flesh.

But its allowed.   However in any temptation trial period,  GOD GIVES US THE WAY OUT .  thus if any does sin   .  THEY TO BLAME not GOD.  HE gives us the way out

and the way IS JESUS the POWER OF HIM to crucify that flesh, before the Sin is birthed.   to kill the lust before the sin is acted out.  

[frienduff thaylorde]

8 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen.....tempted and tried.......but being tempted to sin is not the same as actually sinning.  When we are in a trial we are tempted to take the easy way out by disobeying God or turn to false comforts, etc., that is why trials are called temptations......as well as there are everyday kind of temptations to sin which are not attached to trials........but temptation in any form is never equivalent to sinning, but rather we are called to overcome.

Amen, it is all highly deceptive and seems so right to the mind of carnal man.

Here is a personal prayer.    Let none be led into the influence of ROME and deleiver many from its bondage.   and from the bondage of the all inclusive delusion that Rome

leads in and many lead others into.     Let the true bride let the true LIGHT shine to expose this evil and all evil for what it is and that

many shall arise from sleep, awake to righteousness and sin not .  and flee this poison of waters flowing from the head of churches

down to the leaders in churches from whence many who know not are drinking.   the water they have polluted with their own feet and make the people drink.

[frienduff thaylorde]

The devil is an imitator.   MOSES smashed the bull and smashed it with his feet

he then had the people drink of its ashes in the water.

INTEFAITH BUILDS THE GOLDEN CALF of all gods and relgions , and makes the people drink from its fountain

and the FEET of those who danced around it,  they bring and dirty the waters they make the people drink from.  TALK about wicked .  BUT THIS IS what has been done and

is being done .

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

The devil is an imitator.   MOSES smashed the bull and smashed it with his feet

he then had the people drink of its ashes in the water.

INTEFAITH BUILDS THE GOLDEN CALF of all gods and relgions , and makes the people drink from its fountain

and the FEET of those who danced around it,  they bring and dirty the waters they make the people drink from.  TALK about wicked .  BUT THIS IS what has been done and

is being done .

on that note , i want us to ponder something  .   the people had aron build that bull, MOSES had been gone a long time

so they built it and danced.   Moses WHILE IN THE MOUNT , it was revealed BY GOD to moses , what the people had done

MOSES while IN THE MOUNT made intercession for the people.  BUT what happened WHEN moses returned , the mostevil amongst them were destroyed.

 and NOW a word.   JESUS now sits at the right hand of the FATHER , has for a long , long time

the people now build a golden bull .     WHAT do you suppose will happen to those people who dance to this bull

WHEN ONCE one far greater THAN MOSES returns. 

and if the people under the commandment of the law with two or there witenesses were killed for breaking it

HOW MUCH SORER a punishment for those who danced around this GOLDEN BULL that trodden JESUS under foot

that openly MOCKS every thing he ever suffered , MOCKS IT . SAYS HEY PEOPLE DONT NEED THIS .  PEOPLE CAN BE SAVED IN ANY RELIGION UNDER ANY GOD

hey lets just hug dance and have world peace.  THEY have NO IDEA how evil INTERFAITH IS

and those who began it ..........have no idea how evil THEY ARE .   see the saying goes it would have been far better to have never known him.

How much worse is it WHEN the religion that began this and heads it ...........DOES IT IN HIS NAME .  OH DEAR they have no idea how much this brings the wrath of GOD against them

and all who partake of it .   What a mock to JESUS  .   ALL that suffering he did so we could live and yet INTEFIATH makes it a JOKE in their eyes.  OH DEAR the

wrath of GOD , WHICH CHRIST WILL DLEIVER , will come unto a wicked generation .   MAN the signs are so clear we in the last days. SO CLEAR ifwe have CHRIST .

[frienduff thaylorde]

Yet so many say..........oh pope francis is such a nice , kind , rockstar , cool guy

WELL this nice , kind, rockstar , cool guy......IS MOCKING JESUS TO THE CORE.   And so many want to follow this man.

WELL I WILL NOT .  and  will warn out aganst any who supports this or this bear hug for world peace which openly troddens JESUS underfoot.