What kind of Body did Jesus have after His resurrection ?

[Guest shiloh357]

47 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Certianly it deals with Christ surpremecy, clearly a firstborn will have surpremecy however you still have neglected to wash away the natural meaning of the words father and son.

The problem is that as a title, firstborn is a rank that can apply and is applied to those who were not first born.  It is a title of supremacy and premimenence and that is how Paul is using it.   He is not talking about Jesus' birth because as God, Jesus was never born.   You cannot refer to Jesus as having had an origin, because there was never a time that Jesus did not exist with the Father.  

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So all we have from you is half truths with half a picture.

No, in my previous post I gave a full theological and scholarly treatment of the issue from a Greek scholar that you are  not skilled enough to refute it.

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If God wished to display only a ranking system, God would not have chosen the natural parental ranking system of a family..... Duh? And yet you wish to question intellect?

God chooses cultural concepts and relationship concepts to communicate with us because He always speaks to us in terms that serve points of reference that we can understand.   That is common knowledge in the theological world.  You are trying to make a one-to-one comparison and that is not how it works.    Not to mention that you have a very intellectually shallow approach to the Bible.

In the ancient near east, "Father" and "Son" have more than a paternal meaning attached to them.   Unlike western culture, "father" and "son" are also positions of rank.  

For example, in Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as, "The Everlasting Father."   Why?   The term in Heberw is avi ad or "Father of Eternity."   Isaiah is using the term "father"  to denote Jesus as the originator, the Creator of the universe and the starting point, where eternity finds its origin.  That means that Jesus is God and the creator of matter, space and time.    So here is one example of others where "father" is not paternal.

Jesus told His enemies that they were of their "father" the devil.  The devil was not their "father," as they were not his paternal offspring.   So again, father is not necessarily a paternal term in ancient near eastern thought.   But you don't have the level of education needed to understand that.

The term "son of..."  in Hebrew and ancient near eastern thought compares the nature of a person with something else.   Jesus referred to James and John as "sons of thunder."   He referred to the Pharisees as the "sons of hell."  

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And yet His body was still subject to decay and death.

But his body was not subjected to decay.   He rose from the dead proving He was God.

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That doesnt even make sense on any level, you either participating or youre not.

It makes perfect sense.   We can participate in the divine nature in terms of God's communicable attributes.   We do not participate in His deity.  His deity is not transferred to us.   We do not participate in his incommunicable attributes like omnipotence, omniscience or omnipresence.

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Every child has the life and nature of his father.

Not necessarily.   I have seen kids who are nothing like their fathers and that can be good or bad depending on the nature of their father.    And the Bible is very careful to qualify what it means to take on the character of God.   That has a very narrow window of application.    To ascribe deity to man on any level is heretical and unbiblical.   He is the only God.

[inchrist]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

The problem is that as a title, firstborn is a rank that can apply and is applied to those who were not first born. 

Sure, Ephraim would be a prime example, yet it was still done in a paternal way.

 No, in my previous post I gave a full theological and scholarly treatment of the issue from a Greek scholar that you are  not skilled enough to refute it.

I didnt need to address it as it never addressed the paternal issue, hence way I stated you present only half truths. 

It never addressed the issue that sonship and resurrection are similarly connected.

 God chooses cultural concepts and relationship concepts to communicate with us because He always speaks to us in terms that serve points of reference that we can understand.   That is common knowledge in the theological world.  You are trying to make a one-to-one comparison and that is not how it works.    Not to mention that you have a very intellectually shallow approach to the Bible

That makes no sense, if God is using comparison in terms we can understand, then how can we not draw a one on one comparison since that is how we understand.....no, what we find is your replays are shallow. But then again I had no idea im dealing with the worlds greatest biblical scholar. Please give your vanity are rest.

 In the ancient near east, "Father" and "Son" have more than a paternal meaning attached to them.   Unlike western culture, "father" and "son" are also positions of rank

This loses sight of the fact that Christ chose this as his metaphor to address God and that he taught this as the metaphor by which his disciples should address God. It also loses sight of the continuity established by the use of this metaphor with those who have called God "Father" and children.

Gal 4:6

6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father

It also shows God as a father when we deal with Jer 31

Is not Ephraim my dear son,
    the child in whom I delight?

The very same message taught by Christ in the parable of the prodigal son with the father son paternal relationship. With all the emotions provoked as a father would in a one on one comparison.

5 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.And by him we cry, “Abba, Father

Again we have this family dynamics being taught 

 Jesus told His enemies that they were of their "father" the devil.  The devil was not their "father," as they were not his paternal offspring

Not in a sexual way but clearly in the intended paternal spirtual way. Again losing site.

 But his body was not subjected to decay.   He rose from the dead proving He was God

INCORRUPTION is the quality of a body that is not subject to decay, ruin, or destruction. 

Christ body was clearly ruined at the cross, it was so damages that Christ didnt even resemble a human,

Christ grew old didnt he? Did Christ not go  through puberty? Did Christ still have his baby teeth? Of cause his body was subject to decay because it was not immortal it was at His transfiguration that Christ body became glorified immortal.

 Not necessarily.   I have seen kids who are nothing like their fathers and that can be good or bad depending on the nature of their father.    And the Bible is very careful to qualify what it means to take on the character of God.   That has a very narrow window of application.    To ascribe deity to man on any level is heretical and unbiblical.   He is the only God.

This is just a poor example, of cause im not going to be the exact of my father, thats naturally impossible.

However God wants children after his kind

Beloved, now we are the children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is

As coinheritors with Christ, we will receive dominion over all things, including the entire vast universe—dominion just as Christ has 

Romans 8:17;

Hebrews 2:5-9; 

Revelation 21:7.

To truly exercise dominion over all things requires the omnipotent power of God.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known 

Showing that we will possess the omniscience of God. And why not, for we will have the Holy Spirit, the mind of God

We will be filled with all the fullness of God (Ephesians 3:19; Colossians 1:19;Colossians 2:9).

How can someone be filled with all the fullness of God and be anything less than God?

Therefore, at our ultimate change, we too will be divine—though the Father and Christ will forever be greater than us. There are obviously limits 

Oh and as for Psalms 82:6, a christ taught the meaning.

 To ascribe deity to man on any level is heretical and unbiblical.

No its heretical to teach otherwise.

 

He is the only God.

yes and soon He will be the only God over gods.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, inchrist said:

Sure, Ephraim would be a prime example, yet it was still done in a paternal way.

Yes, but we are talking about Jesus and Col. 1: 15, 18 and how "firstborn"  is used by Paul, there.

 

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I didnt need to address it as it never addressed the paternal issue, hence way I stated you present only half truths. 

The reason it didn't address it is because in Col. 1:18 it is not a paternal usage.

 

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It never addressed the issue that sonship and resurrection are similarly connected.

Jesus is not the Son of God because of the resurrection.  That is not what made Him the Son of God.

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That makes no sense, if God is using comparison in terms we can understand, then how can we not draw a one on one comparison since that is how we understand.....no, what we find is your replays are shallow. But then again I had no idea im dealing with the worlds greatest biblical scholar. Please give your vanity are rest.

It makes perfect sense.  God is using relatable terminology.  The problem is your shallow,simple-minded understanding of the Bible. 

 

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This loses sight of the fact that Christ chose this as his metaphor to address God and that he taught this as the metaphor by which his disciples should address God. It also loses sight of the continuity established by the use of this metaphor with those who have called God "Father" and children.

Jesus prayed to God as His Father IN His humanity, not in His deity.  Yes, God is OUR Father, we are born of Him.  But Jesus has always exited. God is not the spiritual Father of Jesus because Jesus is equally God, equally and co-eternal.   As God, Jesus is not the offspring of the Father.  

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Not in a sexual way but clearly in the intended paternal spirtual way. Again losing site.

No, it was not paternal.  Jesus was making the "son of" comparison between their nature and that of Satan.  And interestingly, He told them that in the context of them rejecting His deity.

 

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INCORRUPTION is the quality of a body that is not subject to decay, ruin, or destruction. 

Jesus' body did not see corruption.   He was raised from the dead before that could happen.

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Christ body was clearly ruined at the cross, it was so damages that Christ didnt even resemble a human,

Christ grew old didnt he? Did Christ not go  through puberty? Did Christ still have his baby teeth? Of cause his body was subject to decay because it was not immortal it was at His transfiguration that Christ body became glorified immortal.

 

None of that is in dispute.   But the fact remains that His body was not allowed to see corruption.

 

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This is just a poor example, of cause im not going to be the exact of my father, thats naturally impossible.

You said that children take on the nature of their father.   I simply stated that cannot be held dogmatically given that many children grow up to be the opposite of their father.  You're the one raised the poor example, not me.

 

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However God wants children after his kind

Beloved, now we are the children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is

As coinheritors with Christ, we will receive dominion over all things, including the entire vast universe—dominion just as Christ has 

Romans 8:17;

Hebrews 2:5-9; 

Revelation 21:7.

To truly exercise dominion over all things requires the omnipotent power of God.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known 

Showing that we will possess the omniscience of God. And why not, for we will have the Holy Spirit, the mind of God

 

 

 

 

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
(Rom 8:17)

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(Heb 2:5-9)

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
(Rev 21:7)

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(1Co 13:12)

None of those passages indicate that we are going to be co-rulers of the universe with Jesus.   None of them say anything like that. Heb. 2:5-9 is talking about Jesus as the Son of Man, and the greater context of Hebrews 2 bears that out because the writer of Hebrews is showing that Jesus is greater than the angels.

None of those passages state that we are going to have dominion over all things or have omnipotent power. 

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I Cor. 13:2 is not talking about omniscience. 

We will be filled with all the fullness of God (Ephesians 3:19; Colossians 1:19;Colossians 2:9).

How can someone be filled with all the fullness of God and be anything less than God?

Therefore, at our ultimate change, we too will be divine—though the Father and Christ will forever be greater than us. There are obviously limits 

 

 

Your heresy would make man equal with God, on the same level as God, and that will never happen.   Man is never deified in Scripture.   God says this:

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isa 44:6)

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
(Isa 45:6)

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
(Isa 45:21-22)

These passages tell me that there can be no other God.  No one else is like Him. No one else is omnipotent, no one else is omnscient, no one else is omnipresent.  God doesn't share those attributes with anyone. 

You have a warped and unChristian view of God because you are unsaved and unregenerate and your mind is twisted by your lord and master, Satan.

 

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Oh and as for Psalms 82:6, a christ taught the meaning.

 

 

And Jesus referred to Psalm 82:6, not to teach that we are gods, but affirm HIS claim to be God.

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[inchrist]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but we are talking about Jesus and Col. 1: 15, 18 and how "firstborn"  is used by Paul, there.

 

 

And all of that must be understood with Christs teachings to how we understand the father in our how our relationship is to be to God.

Which He in turn taught the apostles and in turn how sonship and resurrection are similarly connected on a consistent bases in scripture.

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 Jesus is not the Son of God because of the resurrection.  That is not what made Him the Son of God

Thats not what I stated did I. It made him the firstborn. How do you not grasp God desires a family?  

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 Jesus prayed to God as His Father IN His humanity, not in His deity.  Yes, God is OUR Father, we are born of Him.  But Jesus has always exited. God is not the spiritual Father of Jesus because Jesus is equally God, equally and co-eternal.   As God, Jesus is not the offspring of the Father

That makes no sense at all.

The whole point of the title Son of God is to give glory directly to the Father. Even in a trinity concept there is ranking of hierarchy, you muddy the waters.

Just a walking contradiction

Its ranking, its co- equal. Retardation.

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 Jesus' body did not see corruption.   He was raised from the dead before that could happen

"Before that can happen" clearly subconsciously you understand it can happen, which undermines your position.

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 None of those passages indicate that we are going to be co-rulers of the universe with Jesus

Is this a joke?

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Rom 8:17

Joint-heirs....clearly youve never dealt with contractual law before. Legal term of  common portion. Because clearly Joint-heirs (a joint participant)  and co-rulers is beyound your understanding.

Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet

All things, joint-heirs in all things subject under Christ feet (rulership)

Is the entire universe not under Christ feet?

Subject under to rulership

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.(Rev 21:7)

Inherit all things, not one little thing or that little thing but EVERYTHING with Christ.....wake up!!!!

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 Your heresy would make man equal with God

No actually the opposite.... it glorifies God. You clearly have no concept of what inheritance is about.

To have the divine nature is one thing, but to be God Himself is another. You clearly cant handle this difference.

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 These passages tell me that there can be no other God

Yes they do, but clearly learn the differemce between divine nature and being God himself

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 You said that children take on the nature of their father

Listen guy, there is a difference

My twins have my life and nature..... however, they are not, nor will ever become, my very person. (penny sinking now?)

They have the nature of me as their father, but they are not the person of me being their father. 

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 You have a warped and unChristian view of God because you are unsaved and unregenerate and your mind is twisted by your lord and master, Satan.

No, you just showed you have no cooking clue on inheritance and definitions.....you so out of your depth its no wonder you overcompensate with insults.

I actually dont even feel sorry for you, because you dont even look to acknowledge how vain you are....theres simply no excuse for your lack of class.

Your over zealousness is out of control....and its not from God.

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[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but we are talking about Jesus and Col. 1: 15, 18 and how "firstborn"  is used by Paul, there.

 

The reason it didn't address it is because in Col. 1:18 it is not a paternal usage.

 

Jesus is not the Son of God because of the resurrection.  That is not what made Him the Son of God.

It makes perfect sense.  God is using relatable terminology.  The problem is your shallow,simple-minded understanding of the Bible. 

 

Jesus prayed to God as His Father IN His humanity, not in His deity.  Yes, God is OUR Father, we are born of Him.  But Jesus has always exited. God is not the spiritual Father of Jesus because Jesus is equally God, equally and co-eternal.   As God, Jesus is not the offspring of the Father.  

No, it was not paternal.  Jesus was making the "son of" comparison between their nature and that of Satan.  And interestingly, He told them that in the context of them rejecting His deity.

 

Jesus' body did not see corruption.   He was raised from the dead before that could happen.

None of that is in dispute.   But the fact remains that His body was not allowed to see corruption.

 

You said that children take on the nature of their father.   I simply stated that cannot be held dogmatically given that many children grow up to be the opposite of their father.  You're the one raised the poor example, not me.

 

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
(Rom 8:17)

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
(Heb 2:5-9)

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
(Rev 21:7)

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(1Co 13:12)

None of those passages indicate that we are going to be co-rulers of the universe with Jesus.   None of them say anything like that. Heb. 2:5-9 is talking about Jesus as the Son of Man, and the greater context of Hebrews 2 bears that out because the writer of Hebrews is showing that Jesus is greater than the angels.

None of those passages state that we are going to have dominion over all things or have omnipotent power. 

 

Your heresy would make man equal with God, on the same level as God, and that will never happen.   Man is never deified in Scripture.   God says this:

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isa 44:6)

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
(Isa 45:6)

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
(Isa 45:21-22)

These passages tell me that there can be no other God.  No one else is like Him. No one else is omnipotent, no one else is omnscient, no one else is omnipresent.  God doesn't share those attributes with anyone. 

You have a warped and unChristian view of God because you are unsaved and unregenerate and your mind is twisted by your lord and master, Satan.

 

And Jesus referred to Psalm 82:6, not to teach that we are gods, but affirm HIS claim to be God.

I'm amazed at the turn this conversation took.......agree very much with what you are bringing here brother..........sons of God refers to angels........where Jesus said we shall be like the angels.........we shall bear the IMAGE of the heavenly/divine.........we will be co-inheritors with Christ of eternal life, ruling and reigning WITH Him, but not in our own right.....we will still be SERVING Him and doing and enforcing HIS will, like angels do, as subject to the Lord.  Yes, and scripture is very clear there will be no other God's either before Him or after Him, and as well as there being no other Saviour (Is. 43:11).  The Lord Jesus was clear about warning us that in the last days many would come saying they are Christ....anyone thinking along those lines needs to ratchet back in their thinking, they are overshooting the mark and wandering around in new age territory......which will lead to the acceptance of a false one sitting in the temple showing himself that he is God and Christ.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, inchrist said:

And all of that must be understood with Christs teachings to how we understand the father in our how our relationship is to be to God.

No, it needs to be understood in the immediate context of Colossians 1 where it occurs.

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Which He in turn taught the apostles and in turn how sonship and resurrection are similarly connected on a consistent bases in scripture.

No, He didn't teach that His resurrection made Him a Son.

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Thats not what I stated did I. It made him the firstborn. How do you not grasp God desires a family?  

It's what you implied. 

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That makes no sense at all.

The whole point of the title Son of God is to give glory directly to the Father. Even in a trinity concept there is ranking of hierarchy, you muddy the waters.

Just a walking contradiction

Its ranking, its co- equal. Retardation.

 

That doesn't really address the issue that Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal.  Yes, there  is a subordination of authority, but that doesn't change the fact that as God, Jesus is as much God as the Father is, and that He is co-eternal with the Father, and has existed as God as long as the Father.  That's just the truth.  You can can me retarded, but that fact is that I am right and you are wrong and you are ignorant of basic Bible truth.

 

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"Before that can happen" clearly subconsciously you understand it can happen, which undermines your position.

No, it doesn't.   I didn't say that Jesus body could not incur corruption.  All I said was that it was not allowed to happen because Jesus was not allowed to see corruption due to being raised from the dead.

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Is this a joke?

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Rom 8:17

Joint-heirs....clearly youve never dealt with contractual law before. Legal term of  common portion. Because clearly Joint-heirs (a joint participant)  and co-rulers is beyound your understanding.

Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet

All things, joint-heirs in all things subject under Christ feet (rulership)

Is the entire universe not under Christ feet?

Subject under to rulership

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.(Rev 21:7)

Inherit all things, not one little thing or that little thing but EVERYTHING with Christ.....wake up!!!!

 

That does not mean we are going to be deified and reign with the same omnipotent, omniscient power that Jesus has.   You are taking those passages further than what they actually say.   No one is going to be on God's level.   There is only one King, one Ruler of the univierse; and He does not share power.

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No actually the opposite.... it glorifies God. You clearly have no concept of what inheritance is about.

To have the divine nature is one thing, but to be God Himself is another. You clearly cant handle this difference.

 

I am not saying that you claimed that we would become God Himself.  

You said that being filled with all the fullness of God would mean that man would become no less than equal with God.   That is heresy.

 

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Yes they do, but clearly learn the differemce between divine nature and being God himself

And you are trying to claim that man will be deified, made into  God's just like God.  

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Listen guy, there is a difference

My twins have my life and nature..... however, they are not, nor will ever become, my very person. (penny sinking now?)

They have the nature of me as their father, but they are not the person of me being their father. 

 

Again, I didn't say you claimed that would be made into  the person of God.   You are trying to skirt around this now.   You indicated that we would take on deity or divinity by partaking of the divine nature.   That is the heresy I am talking about.
 

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No, you just showed you have no cooking clue on inheritance and definitions.....you so out of your depth its no wonder you overcompensate with insults.

I actually dont even feel sorry for you, because you dont even look to acknowledge how vain you are....theres simply no excuse for your lack of class.

Your over zealousness is out of control....and its not from God.

 

I understand inheritance just fine.   But the Bible does not say we inherit divinity or deity.   " It is your demonic heresies that are not from God.   They are from the father of lies.   You are telling the same lie Satan told in in the Garden. "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

[inchrist]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

I understand inheritance just fine.   But the Bible does not say we inherit divinity or deity.   " It is your demonic heresies that are not from God.   They are from the father of lies.   You are telling the same lie Satan told in in the Garden. "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

You are so hopeless at this, that wasnt what the lie was.

Gen 3:4

You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman.

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[Guest shiloh357]

18 minutes ago, inchrist said:

You are so hopeless at this, that wasnt what the lie was.

Gen 3:4

You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman.

They didn't become gods, did they?  They became sinners.   Yes, there was more than one lie. But one of those lies is the same as the one you are now telling. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

This is why I enter nothing lest I am led by the Spirit to do so.    I just went and read the last five or six pages of this thread.

It is also why I leave and leave quick when its going no where .    careful lest ye be consumed one of another and bitterness , anger and strife fills the soul.

I just watched a lady who never said JESUS was not a jew , who never said Salvation was not of the jews, for CHRIST came according to that flesh

Get hammered and assumed .     We really need to slow down.

Yall agree on the points, yet so much blood was in the water , it was  a shark fest attack.   

JESUS was a jew, he came of the lineage of david.     WHO also said the flesh profits nothing .   to the jews.   

No wonder paul said it be a good thing the heart be established with grace and not with meats.    the last five or six pages

looked like a group of arbas hating all over each other.  and for what ..................its not like someone was teaching all inclusive lies .  it was over the resurrected body.

Not a issue for salvation me thinks.  yet warriors and just bitterness was all over .    If we want to war , lets go to war over that sorry dung pile all inclusive leading to the beast

religion that is sucking the life right out of all who partake .  

[frienduff thaylorde]

I aint siding with no one .  

But if we do examine THE LIE .     it was not ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.    HECK GOD SAYS THIS ,  they have become as gods..........HE SAID THAT .

no the lie was,     YOU SHALL NOT DIE .   the serpent will use scrips to get us to disobey. 

they have become as gods knowing good and evil.   READ IT , GOD SAID IT.

believe me , I aint siding with inchrist .   but if you want to help someone .    Stick to truth.