The Distinction between Israel and the Church

[frienduff thaylorde]

10 hours ago, inchrist said:

Has this occurred yet?

Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him

 

 

 

Back to me being racist again for calling Ephrahim Christian?

So Christianized Ephrahim is anti-semitisicm now.....accepting their messiah is anti-semitisicm....

So we must conclude the story of the Samaritan woman is anti-Semitic.

Let's think logically here

Why is Ephrahim given the gentile nations to come from Israel as his inheritence?

Why does Christ give a teaching on Judah and Ephrahim in the Prodigal son? Why?

 

I think I seen an allegory.     It seems to fit with what JESUS said

And others which are not of this fold them too must I bring and they shall be ONE FOLD , With ONE SHEPARD.

Joseph was jew , his wife gentile.  by marriage in the gentiles and jews join as one .  

their children are neither jew nor greek but ONE n Christ .   as were josephs children ,  

his wife was GENTILE .      I think this is an allegory of what was to come as well.

Salvation was of the jews,     no wonder it says  JOSEPH.    take a stick of word belonging to JUDAH, and we KNOW which tribe JESUS SPRANG FROM

and all the ISRALITES ASSOCIATED WITH HIM,   with CHRIST that FOLD,  and take another stick of wood and write on it

Joseph , only the gentile wife was WED into the JEWISH line and so too the children.  

It just came to me.    This too was pointing to JESUS as MESSIAH as LORD and HE WOULD JOIN THE TWO as ONE in HIM.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

9 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I think I seen an allegory.     It seems to fit with what JESUS said

And others which are not of this fold them too must I bring and they shall be ONE FOLD , With ONE SHEPARD.

Joseph was jew , his wife gentile.  by marriage in the gentiles and jews join as one .  

their children are neither jew nor greek but ONE n Christ .   as were josephs children ,  

his wife was GENTILE .      I think this is an allegory of what was to come as well.

Salvation was of the jews,     no wonder it says  JOSEPH.    take a stick of word belonging to JUDAH, and we KNOW which tribe JESUS SPRANG FROM

and all the ISRALITES ASSOCIATED WITH HIM,   with CHRIST that FOLD,  and take another stick of wood and write on it

Joseph , only the gentile wife was WED into the JEWISH line and so too the children.  

It just came to me.    This too was pointing to JESUS as MESSIAH as LORD and HE WOULD JOIN THE TWO as ONE in HIM.

 

OH dear, the church did not replace Israel,    but by faith is grafted in.     THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT

where both Believing jews and gentiles are ONE IN CHRIST .      THE PROPHETS DO POINT TO JESUS .  

JUDAH and JOSEPH as ONE in CHRIST.    Those of the jewish fold joining with those of the gentile fold and all by FAITH in CHRIST .

ITS CLEAR.     Its very clear .   this allegory does point to JESUS .  

[Heleadethme]

On 1/25/2018 at 3:05 PM, inchrist said:

There's a distinction between the House of Judah (Judaism) and Christianity but there is no distinction between church (Christianity) and Israel.

The House of Ephrahim is Christianized.

This is confirmed in the Prodigal Son of Ephrahims repentence before that of Judah and provoking Judah to jealousy.

This is also confirmed in the story of the Samaritan woman at the well. A perfect example of the House of Israel/Ephrahim/Joseph accepting Christ; who had many husbands (gods).

10 ethnic tribes of Israel is Christian; the other 2 are Judaic.  

 

Pretty sure Ephraim is the church in TYPE only, not necessarily physical descendants of Joseph........the Lord speaking prophetically throughout scripture.

[frienduff thaylorde]

7 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Pretty sure Ephraim is the church in TYPE only, not necessarily physical descendants of Joseph........the Lord speaking prophetically throughout scripture.

Sister in case I aint told ya  today,  you loved .  praise the Lord.

 

[inchrist]

12 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Pretty sure Ephraim is the church in TYPE only, not necessarily physical descendants of Joseph........the Lord speaking prophetically throughout scripture.

Why not? Why does it seem such a giant leap to believe an ethnic Hebrew house (northern house) to have accepted Christ?

Why is Ephrahim inheritence the Christians?

[inchrist]

13 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

OH dear, the church did not replace Israel,    but by faith is grafted in.     THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT

 

So why the seperation doctrine?

[Guest shiloh357]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 1:52 AM, inchrist said:

Has this occurred yet?

Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him

Nope, but neither can you say that every Israelite in Israel now is "Judah."

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Back to me being racist again for calling Ephrahim Christian?

No, you're racist for buying into Replacement Theology and teaching that the Church is Israel.   That is a theory completely rooted in racism and I guess since you're a pagan RCC person, it fits you perfectly.  Your racism and idolatry go hand in hand.

 

[Heleadethme]

3 hours ago, inchrist said:

Why not? Why does it seem such a giant leap to believe an ethnic Hebrew house (northern house) to have accepted Christ?

Why is Ephrahim inheritence the Christians?

For one thing Isaiah said only a remnant would be saved.  For another the bible is clear that after the Jews rejected Christ (except for a remnant) the gospel then went to the Gentiles, to the nations, not to Ephraim, and that is a very major point in scripture and in the plan of God from the foundation of the world.  Doesn't mean there isn't a remnant of northern tribe descendants who also believe, just like there are some from Judah who believe.....but it's a mistake to think the whole house of either Ephraim/Israel or Judah has been saved, or that all Gentile believers are from the house of Ephraim/Israel.....except in type.....the "Israel of God".  Further proof:  even among Christian families it is often a case of only a remnant who believe in the same family....so if they are all Ephraim then what about their other family members?...how could one or two be Ephraim in the same family while the other family members are not?................except in type.  The Lord speaks to us in parables all throughout scripture.....speaking prophetically, in spirit.  Anyway, give it some prayerful consideration, it is the Lord who gives light.

[inchrist]

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Nope, but neither can you say that every Israelite in Israel now is "Judah."

Let's see; the two sticks are still two sticks. Even the Jews understand this

Rabbi Nachman Kahana, (last year's comments)

This is what will be in the near future, when Hashem will awaken the millions of our brothers so distant from their roots, and return them miraculously to us in Eretz Yisrael

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20963

 No, you're racist for buying into Replacement Theology and teaching that the Church is Israel.

This is just ignorance now.

Replacement Theology falsely states that born again Gentiles have “replaced” the natural born Israelites.in the plan of salvation for all mankind.

Just as equally racist is dispensationalism that seeks to divide and separate two groups of believers who Christ came to unite as “One New Man” (Ephesians 2:15) and taking the anti- Semitic stance of total denial of the Redeemer of the one stick to unite both sticks.

What I personally believe in; is called companion theology with the correct understanding of two house theology...since you've just admitted the two sticks are still two sticks....at some level two house theology exists.

I sojourn with Ephrahim; I neither replace Ephrahim nor do I seek separation from Ephrahim; because Ephrahim is scattered amongst us. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

9 hours ago, inchrist said:

So why the seperation doctrine?

The kingdom consists of believing jews and believing gentiles.     Unbelieving jews were cast out , but through faith in Christ can be grafted back in.

just as unbelieving gentiles when they become believing ones through faith are grafted into the tree.    ALL is about faith in Christ .

the Kingdom is Heavenly Jerusalem.     Earthly Jerusalem is still in bondage as paul said years ago.    The  Kingdom was rent from Israel after the flesh.

the nation bearing fruits now is the nation that consists of those who follow Christ where both believing jew and gentile are of that kingdom.

Heavenly Jerusalem.    One day she will descend and right over their in the land of Israel.    Preach Christ to all that has breath, for only those of Him

will be of and in that Kingdom.       all others have no access.  Their is no other plan of salvation , and their is no other name under heaven

whereby jew or any can be saved.  ITS CHRIST only that saves and our faith must be in HE alone .