The Distinction between Israel and the Church

[inchrist]

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Of the 71 verses in the NT that refer to Israel, ALL of them are references to ethnic Israelites, not the Church.   There is not one verse in the NT that ever refers to the Church as Israel.

 

You not listening to me....

you claim the church is separated from Israel.

Where does it state the church is separated from Israel....are the synagogues separated from Israel?

 

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, inchrist said:

You not listening to me....

you claim the church is separated from Israel.

Where does it state the church is separated from Israel

 

I answered the question.   There are no verses in the NT that link Israel to the Church.    All references to Israel in the NT are ethnic, not spiritual.   

So that is the answer.  All of the verses that mention Israel are separate from the Church in the NT.

[inchrist]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

I answered the question.   There are no verses in the NT that link Israel to the Church.   

That didn't answer my question...that actually twisted my question.

The church does not have to be Israel in order to be of Israel.

Please answer; where does it state the church is separated from Israel?

 

 

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Davida said:

Christ following born again believers do not become "JEWS"-that is really silly and not found anywhere in the Bible scripture. It does explain why some self-proclaimed christians seem to resent the Jews and try to take the promises that belong to Israel.  I guess they want to assume Jewish spiritual identity because they think  that means they are the chosen people.  Better to stick with just what the Bible teaches.

Of course we do not become Jews after the flesh.......yes that sure would be silly.  But Paul is speaking metaphorically about Jews in the sense of being chosen/elect.....unless we really think that there are ethnic Jews outwardly who are not really ethnic Jews....?   so it has to be metaphorical language he is using.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, inchrist said:

That didn't answer my question...that actually twisted my question.

You got the only answer you're going to get. Deal with it.  Shut up and move on.

[inchrist]

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

You got the only answer you're going to get. Deal with it.  Shut up and move on.

Ignorance is your answer? Have a word with yourself

[Heleadethme]

51 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

They are not apostate.

And besides, God is restoring them to their land, whether that fits your racist theology or not.   God's purposes are being done and He is not seeking your approval or consent.

If it doesn't matter then you can stop calling yourself a Jew.  You're not a Jew.  

 

You are definitely led by "A" spirit, but it is not the Holy Spirit.

 

I am defending Israel against, ignorant, backwards, racist "Christians" who keep trying to hi-jack the blessings of Israel for themselves and who reject the Word of God.   

 

You just got done saying that you are Jew inwardly.  So which is it??  

 

That's because you don't know beans about what replacement theology is.   Replacement theology teaches that the Church is the new Israel, that God has transferred the blessings of biblical Israel to the Church and now the Church is Israel and Christians are the new "Jews."   It is an ignorant, racist brand of theological thought that basically calls into question Gods integrity.  It makes God out to be a liar.

 

I don't need to think about it at all.  I just reject it for the ungodly pile of racist garbage that it is.

Of course they are apostate, speaking as a nation.......called by God but they rejected the Messiah and now going their own way and living in SIN......what else would you call it.  They are in dire need of the gospel or perish in their sins. 

Due respect.....but I'm not the one who excludes Israel from the church by my theology. 

They belong to the church which is to the Jew first,  or maybe we could say the church kind of belongs to them, is of them......since the gospel really is theirs, salvation is of the Jews, they brought us the Messiah........and so I welcome them to the church of Christ/Yeshua with open arms......not insisting they stay over there and be called by a separate name, and we gentiles stay over here and have our own separate church.  Hope to be rejoicing and dancing with them on the day their blindness is removed!  Need to examine why some are so hung up on this......flesh is not going to inherit the kingdom of heaven is it, not even jewish flesh, nor gentile.

[inchrist]

41 minutes ago, Davida said:

You said a person becomes a "Jew" inwardly when they believe in Christ - that is a wrong teaching.

No it's actually correct teaching; because it fits with spirit of the law

lav 19

But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

[Heleadethme]

58 minutes ago, Davida said:

You said a person becomes a "Jew" inwardly when they believe in Christ - that is a wrong teaching.

Didn't know I was teaching at all.....just sharing my understanding the same as anyone.  But when our hearts are circumcized in the gospel, and His law is written on our hearts in the new covenant that Jeremiah spoke about, and we're grafted into the same root as the Jews, I guess that's an inward thing.

Sister, there are just things in scripture that we need to have ears to hear it.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

Of course they are apostate, speaking as a nation.......called by God but they rejected the Messiah and now going their own way and living in SIN......what else would you call it.  They are in dire need of the gospel or perish in their sins. 

 

And so-called "Christians" like you are the biggest obstacles to them ever hearing the true Gospel.

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Due respect.....but I'm not the one who excludes Israel from the church by my theology. 

You are of those who block their entrance into the kingdom with your racist theology.

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They belong to the church which is to the Jew first,  or maybe we could say the church kind of belongs to them, is of them......since the gospel really is theirs, salvation is of the Jews, they brought us the Messiah.

You don't have a clue about the biblical theology of the Church.

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and so I welcome them to the church of Christ/Yeshua with open arms......not insisting they stay over there and be called by a separate name, and we gentiles stay over here and have our own separate church. 

Again, you don't have a very good grasp on the subject matter at hand.  You don't know what you're talking about.