The Distinction between Israel and the Church

[n2thelight]

Also two baskets were to return to that nation state and since those there don't believe in Christ,which basket do you think returned?

Jeremiah 24:2 "One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad."

When you go into the horticulture of the figs, we are talking about goat figs here. The male tree. We know that this tree was set out in the year 1948 when Judah only returned to Jerusalem to establish the tiny nation of Israel. And with them came the very good figs, and the very bad figs.

Jeremiah 24:3 "Then said the LORD unto me, What seesth thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil."

God told Jeremiah to look at the two baskets and tell Him what he was seeing. You know what you see, it's the temple of God, with the king of Babylon, and there setting in front of it all were these two baskets of figs, (one basket of good figs and the other of bad figs). This parable will take you all the way back to the beginning in the Garden of Eden. when you had "the tree of Life", who was Jesus Christ, and the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", who was Satan the Serpent. The figs came into the garden of Eden after the sin where Eve was deceived, or wholly seduced by Satan, and from that sexual union came a child named Cain.

[n2thelight]

NEW TESTAMENT

Matt 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ. . . "

The New Testament is about Jesus Christ - NOT about Israel!


Joseph, the earthly "father" of Jesus, also had a father named Jacob (Matt 1:16). Joseph also had a dream and went into Egypt.

Matt 2:13 "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, 'Arise, and take the young child and His mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy Him."

Matt 2:15 "And (he) was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying "Out of Egypt have I called My son."

* * * * * This New Testament text (Matt 2:15), is a DIRECT QUOTE of Hosea 11:1, which was originally spoken of the Nation of Israel, but NOW it refers to Christ as the FULFILLMENT of the prophecy of the Hosea text.

Jesus is NOW the NEW "Israel." The prophecy is FULFILLED in Jesus!


"BAPTISM"

Israel came out of Egypt and was "baptized" in the Red Sea

1 Cor 10: 1,2 Paul is speaking, "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea."

Jesus came out of Egypt and was baptized in the Jordan.

Matt 3:16 "And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him.


INTO THE WILDERNESS

Israel, after being "baptized" in the Red Sea, went into the wilderness for 40 years

Jesus, after being baptized, went into the wilderness for 40 days. (Matt 4:1)

In the wilderness Jesus was tempted THREE times. Each time He responded to Satan with a text. ALL three texts that He quoted, are from the book of Deuteronomy, the book given to Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness: Deut 8:3, Deut 6:16, Deut 6:13.

Jesus is REPEATING the history of Israel. Jesus, the NEW "Israel", is overcoming where the nation of Israel had failed!


Israel:

When God brought Israel out of Egypt, they were brought to a mountain, Mt. Sinai, where God gives them the law.

Christ:

Matt 5: After Jesus had been in the wilderness, He goes to a mountain to teach the beatitudes - a practical explanation of the law.


Israel:

God made a covenant with the twelve tribes with the blood of animals.

Christ:

Matt 26:28 Jesus meets with the 12 apostles and makes a NEW covenant with His OWN blood - a New covenant with a NEW Israel.

Matt 12:15-18 "Behold my servant..." This Old Testament passage applied to Israel, but now it is fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

John 15:1 Jesus said, "I am the TRUE VINE.

Gal 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith NOT 'And to seeds, as of many, but as of ONE, and to thy SEED which is Christ."

Jesus is called:

1) "My Son" 2 Peter 1:17
2) The "vine" John 15:1
3) the "seed of Abraham" Gal 3:16
4) "servant" Matt 12:15-18
5) "My Son" God "brought out of Egypt" Matt 2:15


"Israel" was one man, and his heirs became the nation of "Israel".

Jesus (Israel) is one Man, then His heirs are ALSO Israel.

Jesus' followers (those in Christ), now become the New Testament Spiritual Israel. "If you are Abraham's seed, then you are heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29

Gal 3:29 "So if you be Christ's THEN are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise."


The name Israel, was expanded to include all of Israel's (formerly called Jacob) offspring. And as his descendants increased, they became a nation - the nation of the same family name - - - Israel. God called this new nation of Israel, "My son. . . My firstborn."

Steve Wohlberg, in his excellent book Exploding The Israel Deception, points out the many parallels between the history of Israel and the history of Jesus Christ. In Hosea 11:1, the prophet writes, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." Matthew declares this text "fulfilled" in Jesus (Matt 2:15)

**When God called Israel out of Egypt, He called the nation "My son." Ex 4:22. When Jesus came out of Egypt, God said, "Out of Egypt I have called My Son."

**When Israel left Egypt, they were "baptized" by crossing the Red Sea - then they spent 40 years in the wilderness. When Jesus began His ministry, He was baptized, then immediately went into the wilderness for 40 days.

In the Gospel of Matthew, "Jesus is repeating the history of Israel, point by point, and is overcoming where they failed. Jesus becomes the new Israel, the one victorious Man who overcomes all sin." (Wohlberg, pg 21)

In Galatians 3:16, Paul wrote, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith NOT, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Paul explains that Abraham's seed does not refer to "many," seeds, but to "One, . . . which is Christ." Paul is opening our minds to realize that what originally applied to the nation of Israel is now applied to Jesus Christ. The Messiah is now the "seed." Therefore, Jesus Christ is "Israel!"

But as, in the Old Testament, the name Israel was first applied to one man - and then to his offspring, so in the New Testament the same principle applies. "The seed" is Christ, and Paul then tells his Gentile converts "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed." Gal 3:29.

So the name "Israel" not only applies to the True Seed, Jesus Christ, but also the believers in Jesus become part of "the seed." The true Christians are now God's Spiritual Israel.

Paul continues to drive this point home throughout his writings. In Gal 3:6,7, he wrote, "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

"Behold, thou art called Jew, and you rest in the law and make your boast of God." "For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision (the Gentiles) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?" "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Roman 2:17,25,26,28,29

Paul is saying that if one only has the outward appearance of being religious without being changed in the heart, then the circumcision of the Jew means nothing.

 

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/israel2.htm

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Do they believe in Christ?Simple question.

No, not yet.

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Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the syna-gogue of Sa'-tan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Guess that makes Christ anti semetic and racsist........

 

No, because Jesus wasn't talking about all Jewish non-believers.   

It is racist to single out the Jews en masse, with your anti-Semitic, racist rants.   Sorry, but that makes you a liability to the Kingdom of God.   You need to get saved.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 Just so you know,Adam and Eve were not the first people

Yes, they were the first people.   To say otherwise is to deny what the Bible clearly teaches.

Now off topic but let's get to the Garden

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Genesis 3:7 "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

Once this sin was committed, their eyes were open to wickedness, but closed to truth. Think on this! Jesus told us to learn the "parable of the fig tree" in three of the gospels. This warning is given in Matthew 24:32, Mark 13:28, and Luke 21:29; yet most churches of today are completely ignoring God's warning, and following after fairy tales the Kenites are teaching them.

 

What sin did they commit?

Who are the Kenites?

 

 

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Adam and Eve are in a fig orchard, and not an apple orchard.

The Bible  doesn't say that, either.

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Do you think that they made apple masks from apple tree leaves to cover their mouths? How silly can you get! Yet this is the type of ignorance being preached from most pulpits today. Adam and Eve made aprons out of fig leaves to cover their private parts, for their sin was the sex act with Satan.

Where does the Bible say they committed a sex act with Satan?   The Bible says no such thing.   You are adding to Scripture.

 

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Once this sinks into your mind, then you will start to understand the truth that is winding through the entire scriptures. You will see why it was important to the Kenites that you believe a lie, for this lie allows them to virtually take over the duties of the scribes [I Chronicles 2:55]. These Kenites, or sons of Satan, took control of the interpretation of the words that God spoke to His children through the prophets coming out of the Babylonian captivity.

Where does the Bible ever refer to "Kenites"  as sons of Satan?   And where do they take control over interpreting God's words?

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I Chronicles 2:55 "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchatites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab."

 These Kenites are not of God, but of that sexual union between Satan and Eve. They are the offspring of Cain, and the oriental woman [from the land of Nod] that he took to wife. The Kenites are not of Abraham, nor are they of Judah, but of their father Rechab, of the lineage of Cain, from the land of Hemath.

 

That's a whole lot of fiction for which you have no biblical support.  

 

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When you come to the understand of what took place in Eden, then you will understand the "parable of the sower and fig tree" which is the key to most of the prophecies of both the Old and New Testaments. To this day, fig leaves symbolize that which is hidden. That thing hidden within Eve's womb was an evil thing. It turned out to be Cain, who was the first murderer, because his father was a murderer and a liar.

The parable of the fig tree has nothing to do with the garden of Eden.  You are fabricating a connection that simply does not exist.   The Bible doesn't make that connection and Jesus' interpretation of the parable has nothing to do with what you claim.

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Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.

 

No, that is true.   Satan has no offspring, because he didn't have sex with Eve.  Angels do not procreate and are not sexual beings.

 

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It is Jesus Christ that shall bruise the head of Satan, at Christ's return at the second advent; while it was Satan's children the Kenites, [not brother Judah] that bruised the heel of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. This was done when the spikes were driven through Christ's heel, as He hung on the cross to pay the full price for our sins, once and for all.

Wrong.  Jesus crushed the head of Satan at the cross.   That is when Satan was defeated.

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Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.

Until you understand what really took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; it will be difficult for you to grow up and mature in the Word of God, and in true Christianity.

 

It is precisely because we understand what happened in the Garden that we can reject your demonic nonsense.   TRUE Christians don't believe or teach the trash you are trying teach here.   TRUE Christians will reject it for the demonic trash that it is.

 

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As for Adam being the only male

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

 

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

This is neither Adam nor Eve

 

Just more lies from you.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

NEW TESTAMENT

Matt 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ. . . "

The New Testament is about Jesus Christ - NOT about Israel!

 

It is about Jesus.  But Israel is there and is a theme throughout the Bible.   Israel is mentioned 71 times in the NT.   And each time it is mentioned it is always the ethnic descendants of Jacob.   It is never spiritualized to refer to Christians or Jesus.   

[Heleadethme]

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Different subject different time on the Garden as for those fake Jew's,again not my words

John 8:38 "I speak that which I have seen with My Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father."

John 8:39 "They answered and said unto Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus saith unto them, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

I could go on,but you won't get it

Butting into the conversation here, have only read this page.......the Pharisees were of their father the devil because they were of his spirit, sadly......anyone who has ever sinned in any way (and we know that all have sinned) has received the devil's spirit and what spirit anyone is of determines who their father is........if the Spirit of God, then God is our Father and we have become His children......but if the spirit of the devil is still reigning in a person, then they are of their father the devil, and that goes for everyone who does not know the Lord.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Do they believe in Christ?Simple question.

Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the syna-gogue of Sa'-tan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Guess that makes Christ anti semetic and racsist........

A Jew is a Jew if he is one inwardly........the term Jew here is used to refer to anyone who is "elect".  So a true Jew is one who is counted a Jew because he knows the Lord, is born again.

[n2thelight]

@shiloh357

All eye can do is smile at ur accusations. 

Eye alone will stand b4 my Father,and what I post on this and any other site I stand behind.

Yu say eye nd 2 get saved,do yu know what it means to be saved.

I quote yu the Word and yu say it doesn't mean what it says

Anyway, I'm just planting seeds.

[Guest shiloh357]

18 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

A Jew is a Jew if he is one inwardly........the term Jew here is used to refer to anyone who is "elect".  So a true Jew is one who is counted a Jew because he knows the Lord, is born again.

No, that is not true.   Christians are not Jews. That is just more false teaching.   

[Guest shiloh357]

2 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

@shiloh357

All eye can do is smile at ur accusations. 

 

But you can't refute them, nor can you support your trash from Scripture.

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Anyway, I'm just planting seeds.

And I am going to extinguish them so that no one is led astray by your poisonous, demonic teachings.