The Distinction between Israel and the Church

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 Just so you know,Adam and Eve were not the first people

Now off topic but let's get to the Garden

 

Genesis 3:7 "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

Once this sin was committed, their eyes were open to wickedness, but closed to truth. Think on this! Jesus told us to learn the "parable of the fig tree" in three of the gospels. This warning is given in Matthew 24:32, Mark 13:28, and Luke 21:29; yet most churches of today are completely ignoring God's warning, and following after fairy tales the Kenites are teaching them.

Adam and Eve are in a fig orchard, and not an apple orchard. Do you think that they made apple masks from apple tree leaves to cover their mouths? How silly can you get! Yet this is the type of ignorance being preached from most pulpits today. Adam and Eve made aprons out of fig leaves to cover their private parts, for their sin was the sex act with Satan. Once this sinks into your mind, then you will start to understand the truth that is winding through the entire scriptures. You will see why it was important to the Kenites that you believe a lie, for this lie allows them to virtually take over the duties of the scribes [I Chronicles 2:55]. These Kenites, or sons of Satan, took control of the interpretation of the words that God spoke to His children through the prophets coming out of the Babylonian captivity.

I Chronicles 2:55 "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchatites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab."

The sons of Levi were to be the priests and the keepers of God's house. The Levitical priests were to carry out the duties of the sacrifices, as well as the teachers of the Temple, and the recorders and keepers of God's instructions to His people. These Kenites are not of God, but of that sexual union between Satan and Eve. They are the offspring of Cain, and the oriental woman [from the land of Nod] that he took to wife. The Kenites are not of Abraham, nor are they of Judah, but of their father Rechab, of the lineage of Cain, from the land of Hemath.

Strong's Hebrew dictionary classifies these Kenites under # 7014 and 7017. #7014 states: "Qayin, kah'-yin; the same as 7013 (with the play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:-Cain, Kenites."

# 7017; "Qiyniy (I Chronicles 2:55), kee-nee'; patron. from 7014, a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin: Kenite." The Kenites is not a member of the tribe of Judah or any other tribe of Israel, but from the tribe of Kajin. The Kenite is not of the seed of Abraham, but they have assumed the role of the Levitical priests because the Israelites allowed them to sit in the seat of Moses and teach their traditions instead of God's Word.

When you come to the understand of what took place in Eden, then you will understand the "parable of the sower and fig tree" which is the key to most of the prophecies of both the Old and New Testaments. To this day, fig leaves symbolize that which is hidden. That thing hidden within Eve's womb was an evil thing. It turned out to be Cain, who was the first murderer, because his father was a murderer and a liar.

 

Genesis 3:14 "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

This is God speaking to Satan. God is cursing Satan above all living creatures. This is a figure of speech, meaning you are the lowest thing of all creation. Now God continues to speak to the serpent [Satan].

Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."

Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.

It is Jesus Christ that shall bruise the head of Satan, at Christ's return at the second advent; while it was Satan's children the Kenites, [not brother Judah] that bruised the heel of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. This was done when the spikes were driven through Christ's heel, as He hung on the cross to pay the full price for our sins, once and for all.

Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.

Until you understand what really took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; it will be difficult for you to grow up and mature in the Word of God, and in true Christianity.

https://www.theseason.org/genesis/genesis3.htm

 

As for Adam being the only male

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

 

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

This is neither Adam nor Eve

Well, we want to spiritualize what happened in the Garden because it speaks to us of spiritual things.  Fig leaves were used to cover their shame.....the fig leaves represent pride.  A word is a seed in scripture.  When they received the seed (word) of the devil (fruit of his tree) they believed his lie and disobeyed God.......and thus fell.  First Eve and then she fed the lie (seed/fruit), as it were, to Adam.  What it means to fall is to receive the mind and spirit of Satan, it is a fallen carnal perverted mind and spirit which cannot perceive the things of God, and they became as God by beginning to JUDGE good & evil (whereas God is the only RIGHTEOUS Judge).  It was by this mind/spirit of the devil that they suddenly "knew" they were naked (knowledge/judging what was good and what was evil), they judged themselves naked, whereas such a thing had never even occurred to them before in their previous state of innocence.  And this knowledge made them feel shame, and so they covered their shame with fig leaves of pride......another fruit of the devil, and so the pride of man entered into the human race. 

(Have a hunch there is more about "leaves" that would be good to understand.......where it speaks of the leaves of the tree of life will later be used for the "healing" of the nations, reversing what happened in the Garden......whether leaves are distinct from fruit or not, or are alluding to fruit, I am not sure.  But it is a pattern for us too on a personal level i believe, how the Lord "heals" the child of God from their root of pride that came in when we first sinned.)

[n2thelight]

2 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Well, we want to spiritualize what happened in the Garden because it speaks to us of spiritual things.  Fig leaves were used to cover their shame.....the fig leaves represent pride.  A word is a seed in scripture.  When they received the seed (word) of the devil (fruit of his tree) they believed his lie and disobeyed God.......and thus fell.  First Eve and then she fed the lie (seed/fruit), as it were, to Adam.  What it means to fall is to receive the mind and spirit of Satan, it is a fallen carnal perverted mind and spirit which cannot perceive the things of God, and they became as God by beginning to JUDGE good & evil (whereas God is the only RIGHTEOUS Judge).  It was by this mind/spirit of the devil that they suddenly "knew" they were naked (knowledge/judging what was good and what was evil), they judged themselves naked, whereas such a thing had never even occurred to them before in their previous state of innocence.  And this knowledge made them feel shame, and so they covered their shame with fig leaves of pride......another fruit of the devil, and so the pride of man entered into the human race. 

(Have a hunch there is more about "leaves" that would be good to understand.......where it speaks of the leaves of the tree of life will later be used for the "healing" of the nations, reversing what happened in the Garden......whether leaves are distinct from fruit or not, or are alluding to fruit, I am not sure.  But it is a pattern for us too on a personal level i believe, how the Lord "heals" the child of God from their root of pride that came in when we first sinned.)

I go back to when satan sinned, which is the reason why we are now in flesh bodies.

Typing on my phone, will discuss more when I'm on computer. 

The whole plan of God just seems so clear to me.

I will blame no man when I stand before God

[Heleadethme]

10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, that is not true.   Christians are not Jews. That is just more false teaching.   

The western world is full of synagogues of satan right now brother, who can deny that.........erring churches which are going to persecute the true soon, like they have done in the past.  A Jew is a Jew if he is a Jew inwardly........a Gentile becomes a "Jew" inwardly when we receive Christ.......when we are grafted into the same tree......elect.  I won't argue about it though.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, n2thelight said:

NEW TESTAMENT

Matt 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ. . . "

The New Testament is about Jesus Christ - NOT about Israel!


Joseph, the earthly "father" of Jesus, also had a father named Jacob (Matt 1:16). Joseph also had a dream and went into Egypt.

Matt 2:13 "And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, 'Arise, and take the young child and His mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy Him."

Matt 2:15 "And (he) was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying "Out of Egypt have I called My son."

* * * * * This New Testament text (Matt 2:15), is a DIRECT QUOTE of Hosea 11:1, which was originally spoken of the Nation of Israel, but NOW it refers to Christ as the FULFILLMENT of the prophecy of the Hosea text.

Jesus is NOW the NEW "Israel." The prophecy is FULFILLED in Jesus!


"BAPTISM"

Israel came out of Egypt and was "baptized" in the Red Sea

1 Cor 10: 1,2 Paul is speaking, "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea."

Jesus came out of Egypt and was baptized in the Jordan.

Matt 3:16 "And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him.


INTO THE WILDERNESS

Israel, after being "baptized" in the Red Sea, went into the wilderness for 40 years

Jesus, after being baptized, went into the wilderness for 40 days. (Matt 4:1)

In the wilderness Jesus was tempted THREE times. Each time He responded to Satan with a text. ALL three texts that He quoted, are from the book of Deuteronomy, the book given to Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness: Deut 8:3, Deut 6:16, Deut 6:13.

Jesus is REPEATING the history of Israel. Jesus, the NEW "Israel", is overcoming where the nation of Israel had failed!


Israel:

When God brought Israel out of Egypt, they were brought to a mountain, Mt. Sinai, where God gives them the law.

Christ:

Matt 5: After Jesus had been in the wilderness, He goes to a mountain to teach the beatitudes - a practical explanation of the law.


Israel:

God made a covenant with the twelve tribes with the blood of animals.

Christ:

Matt 26:28 Jesus meets with the 12 apostles and makes a NEW covenant with His OWN blood - a New covenant with a NEW Israel.

Matt 12:15-18 "Behold my servant..." This Old Testament passage applied to Israel, but now it is fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

John 15:1 Jesus said, "I am the TRUE VINE.

Gal 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith NOT 'And to seeds, as of many, but as of ONE, and to thy SEED which is Christ."

Jesus is called:

1) "My Son" 2 Peter 1:17
2) The "vine" John 15:1
3) the "seed of Abraham" Gal 3:16
4) "servant" Matt 12:15-18
5) "My Son" God "brought out of Egypt" Matt 2:15


"Israel" was one man, and his heirs became the nation of "Israel".

Jesus (Israel) is one Man, then His heirs are ALSO Israel.

Jesus' followers (those in Christ), now become the New Testament Spiritual Israel. "If you are Abraham's seed, then you are heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29

Gal 3:29 "So if you be Christ's THEN are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise."


The name Israel, was expanded to include all of Israel's (formerly called Jacob) offspring. And as his descendants increased, they became a nation - the nation of the same family name - - - Israel. God called this new nation of Israel, "My son. . . My firstborn."

Steve Wohlberg, in his excellent book Exploding The Israel Deception, points out the many parallels between the history of Israel and the history of Jesus Christ. In Hosea 11:1, the prophet writes, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." Matthew declares this text "fulfilled" in Jesus (Matt 2:15)

**When God called Israel out of Egypt, He called the nation "My son." Ex 4:22. When Jesus came out of Egypt, God said, "Out of Egypt I have called My Son."

**When Israel left Egypt, they were "baptized" by crossing the Red Sea - then they spent 40 years in the wilderness. When Jesus began His ministry, He was baptized, then immediately went into the wilderness for 40 days.

In the Gospel of Matthew, "Jesus is repeating the history of Israel, point by point, and is overcoming where they failed. Jesus becomes the new Israel, the one victorious Man who overcomes all sin." (Wohlberg, pg 21)

In Galatians 3:16, Paul wrote, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith NOT, And to seeds, as of many; but as of ONE, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Paul explains that Abraham's seed does not refer to "many," seeds, but to "One, . . . which is Christ." Paul is opening our minds to realize that what originally applied to the nation of Israel is now applied to Jesus Christ. The Messiah is now the "seed." Therefore, Jesus Christ is "Israel!"

But as, in the Old Testament, the name Israel was first applied to one man - and then to his offspring, so in the New Testament the same principle applies. "The seed" is Christ, and Paul then tells his Gentile converts "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed." Gal 3:29.

So the name "Israel" not only applies to the True Seed, Jesus Christ, but also the believers in Jesus become part of "the seed." The true Christians are now God's Spiritual Israel.

Paul continues to drive this point home throughout his writings. In Gal 3:6,7, he wrote, "Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

"Behold, thou art called Jew, and you rest in the law and make your boast of God." "For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision (the Gentiles) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?" "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Roman 2:17,25,26,28,29

Paul is saying that if one only has the outward appearance of being religious without being changed in the heart, then the circumcision of the Jew means nothing.

 

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/israel2.htm

Very much enjoyed these observations overall..........just that I don't agree with what is being concluded.  The flesh profits nothing........and now we know no man after the flesh any longer........it's just not about the flesh at all.  All flesh is just the same......all people have the same opportunity to know Christ and be saved.  The Israelites were the ensample to the church........and yes, Jesus followed the exact same pattern, as you showed (Moses was a type of Christ).........and we, as the church follow that same pattern/ensample as well.  All written down as ensamples and light to our path.  Anyway, please just consider what i am saying, I leave it with you.....don't want to get into a big argument.

[Justin Adams]

Renowned Hebrew scholar Michael Heiser has a very good video on exactly this subject.

 

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[Guest shiloh357]

33 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

The western world is full of synagogues of satan right now brother, who can deny that.........erring churches which are going to persecute the true soon, like they have done in the past.  A Jew is a Jew if he is a Jew inwardly........a Gentile becomes a "Jew" inwardly when we receive Christ.......when we are grafted into the same tree......elect.  I won't argue about it though.

You are wrong.   Nowhere does it say that Christians are Jews inwardly or otherwise.  That is a complete misinterpretation of Paul.   Paul was talking to Jews about what it means be a Jew.   He was not telling Gentiles that they were inwardly Jewish.   That is just absurd.

[Guest shiloh357]

36 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

I go back to when satan sinned, which is the reason why we are now in flesh bodies.

 

No it is when Adam sinned by eating from the tree that caused us to fall.   We have always had flesh bodies.

 

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I will blame no man when I stand before God

The Bible blames Adam.  But you don't believe the Bible.   

[n2thelight]

24 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Very much enjoyed these observations overall..........just that I don't agree with what is being concluded.  The flesh profits nothing........and now we know no man after the flesh any longer........it's just not about the flesh at all.  All flesh is just the same......all people have the same opportunity to know Christ and be saved.  The Israelites were the ensample to the church........and yes, Jesus followed the exact same pattern, as you showed (Moses was a type of Christ).........and we, as the church follow that same pattern/ensample as well.  All written down as ensamples and light to our path.  Anyway, please just consider what i am saying, I leave it with you.....don't want to get into a big argument.

I totally agree,all can come to Christ, however nobody or people will be saved just because and like you said,it dang sure ain't about the flesh.

I just can't see how one seperates the Church and Israel...

[n2thelight]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

No it is when Adam sinned by eating from the tree that caused us to fall.   We have always had flesh bodies.

 

The Bible blames Adam.  But you don't believe the Bible.   

Go a little deeper, like before Adam

[n2thelight]

18 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Renowned Hebrew scholar Michael Heiser has a very good video on exactly this subject.

I suggest you listen to this podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSCKJyLVp9Y

 

Thanks, will check it out...