7 TIPS FOR PREPARING FOR THE GREAT TRIBULATION

[Sister]

10 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Salvation thru the Blood of this Jesus who is the Christ is the fullness of " preparation " for everything .

It cannot be otherwise .

Giving any earthly  thing,  event , or process the preeminence  above being consecrated by the Blood of  Christ , and giving it greater need than Jesus's salvation  is a message straight out of hell .

Unfailing Presence

Many have fallen into a slumber and false sense of security.  It's time to wake them up.  No time to go into endless debates about doctrine, except the message to keep enough oil (FAITH) in Christ for the flame to keep burning and not die out. 

These angels were sent from God to oversee that man receives this message.  Not all like to read the scriptures, so by the saints repeating this message already sent from God, and knowing the time is at hand,  .....all get to hear, and check it out if the message is true, and all get a chance to make their decision, being fully informed.....the believers for encouragement and non believers as a testimony against them.  At the end of the day, none can say "Lord, you did not warn us", as all are without excuse, and God will make sure of that.  This message will go to all the ends of the earth, and no man can take it away.  Block this person, and another will come.  Block them and another comes so forth until every man hears.

Many who have been sitting on the fence, need to know what is coming in these last days and that it is the oil that will get us through, and those who have not had the chance to learn doctrine, need only to have faith in Christ and know these things must come to be, and be prepared to refuse what is coming or lose that final chance of salvation.  After this the door is closed.

Keep the oil burning.  Keep the faith.  Without this we have nothing.  Not all will be killed, as some will be alive at the 7th trumpet.  We do not decide who will live through the tribulation and who will die, the Lord does and he has his reasons for it.  So we take the lower seat, not the higher seat, all of us are to be prepared to take the full journey, what is required of a saint, and be not filled with pride.  We cannot claim our reward before we finish the race, and if we survive the whole tribulation, standing alive at the Coming, so be it, all the more glory to God and the Lord Jesus Christ.  In the end, Christ chooses, not us, who is worthy of what and who will stand where.

 

Hear what the angels of the Lord say, this message is not from the devil, but the Lord.  For those who don't like looking up scriptures, here it is all laid out.

 Revelation 14:6   And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

  Revelation 14:7   Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

  Revelation 14:8   And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

  Revelation 14:9   And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

  Revelation 14:10   The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

  Revelation 14:11   And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

  Revelation 14:12   Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

  Revelation 14:13   And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[Sister]

6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi LightShinesInTheDarkness,

If you want to prepare for the trib, then you need to know HOW the Lord will JUDGE YOU.

So let`s look at how the Lord will judge at that time.

`All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides His sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed on my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

- for I was hungry and you gave me food;

- I was thirsty and you gave me drink;

- I was a stranger and you took me in;

- I was naked and you clothed me;

- I was sick and you visited me;

- I was in prison and you came to me."

......"Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it TO THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN, you did it to me." (Matt. 25: 32 - 36 & 40)

So if people think they are going through the trib, then they better get ready to LOOK AFTER THE LORD`S BRETHREN - THE JEWS. That is what you will be judged on. Matthew is talking about those of the nations who will go into the kingdom rule of God through Israel (as promised) in the millennium.

And that has nothing to do with the further revelation of being part of the Body of Christ - IN CHRIST - joined to Christ and when complete, come to the maturity of faith in what we believe. Then God sends Jesus to bring His Body to the third heaven where we will judge fallen angels and the World System during the tribulation.

 

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn

Don't fall backwards.  Christ is not speaking about how we treat the Jews only, but every man who comes in the name of the Lord, even the least of the brethren, (the weaker ones) who have been afflicted, he's speaking to all, ....those of the past, present, and also us of the future.

When a Christian is hated, every man despises him.  In the past, Christians were hunted down to be persecuted, and many were too afraid to help. In some places it is happening today, and it will be the same in the near future only worse.  Every man will be for himself.  If a "brother" see another brother destitute and cannot provide help or compassion for even his own, then he is worthless in the Lord's eyes.  The saints have to stick together, and look out for one another, not scatter, for we are running the same race.

Matthew 12:50   For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

We are even told to love our enemies, and our neighbours, whether they be Christian or not.  Love for all.  If we see someone in need, we help them, but to turn away a brother of the Lord in need would be most shameful.

So we are not judged on how we treat the Jews, but everyone if the love of Christ is in us.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

59 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi Marilyn

Don't fall backwards.  Christ is not speaking about how we treat the Jews only, but every man who comes in the name of the Lord, even the least of the brethren, (the weaker ones) who have been afflicted, he's speaking to all, ....those of the past, present, and also us of the future.

When a Christian is hated, every man despises him.  In the past, Christians were hunted down to be persecuted, and many were too afraid to help. In some places it is happening today, and it will be the same in the near future only worse.  Every man will be for himself.  If a "brother" see another brother destitute and cannot provide help or compassion for even his own, then he is worthless in the Lord's eyes.  The saints have to stick together, and look out for one another, not scatter, for we are running the same race.

Matthew 12:50   For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

We are even told to love our enemies, and our neighbours, whether they be Christian or not.  Love for all.  If we see someone in need, we help them, but to turn away a brother of the Lord in need would be most shameful.

So we are not judged on how we treat the Jews, but everyone if the love of Christ is in us.

 

 

Hi Sister,

Oh and all the time I thought we are not judged, if we accept Christ as our Saviour!

Marilyn.

[Sister]

4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Sister,

Oh and all the time I thought we are not judged, if we accept Christ as our Saviour!

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn

Yes, but we have to know what it means to accept Christ as our Saviour.  Christ is the door.  He shows us the way into the kingdom and we are supposed to follow him all the way, ....the whole way.  Not all are following him for some have veered onto the broad way that leads to destruction.  He warned us about this, that the temptation will be great.  We have to fight to stay on the narrow path.  There are many lost sheep that Christ is calling back to have their robes made white.  These dirty robes will be purified by fire.  That fire will test each man's work of what sort it is. ..what type of work he built on the foundation of Christ.

  1 Corinthians 3:13   Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

  1 Corinthians 3:14   If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

  1 Corinthians 3:15   If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

All the saints who overcome this test will not face judgement, because their sins will be blotted out, because at the final call, they did choose Christ to be their Saviour.

[Heleadethme]

19 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Salvation thru the Blood of this Jesus who is the Christ is the fullness of " preparation " for everything .

If we are actually following the Lord in our life, then He  IS  preparing us........it is not an artificial process as such. 

He  IS  preparing those who are obeying and following Jesus, and not going their own way.  Being prepared for whatever we will have to face in the future (be it tribulation or any other kind of trial) is kind of a natural consequence of following Jesus in our lives.......He knows what each individual needs and He is the one who supplies it......using whoever or whatever means He decides, and working everything together for our good.  Doesn't mean that come tribulation time everything will be hunky-dory and easy.....it is a time of TESTING and so we will have to fight the good fight and resist temptation, overcome fears, ENDURE patiently/persevering to the end, etc, for that trial just as we have doing in our walk thus far.......drawing on His grace and strength........and He will never fail us.  In the will of the Lord what we have walked through and been led through by Him so far in following Jesus is a large part of being prepared for future trials....this is HOW we have already been buying oil for our lamps.

[Heleadethme]

13 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said:

And it is Christ who sees into the heart and determines exactly who , " chooses to obey Him "  .

Newsflash ,  that's what Jesus does .

Not you or any other member of the post- trib super saintly collective present   whose time 

would be much better spent humbly striving to forgo passing judgement on the hearts of others in favor of battling the inner source of their own duplicitous pontifications .

Yes it is the Lord who judges, and we will be judged by His words.  No one here is passing judgment, just bringing truth of scripture that all need to hear or be reminded of, for our good.  Hope no one will be discouraged beyond hope, but seek the Lord and hope in Him, and in His forgiveness, and learn to follow Him in any way He requires.  Anything we find we need to repent of and change our ways, then we do so, and begin to walk after Jesus and obey His leading, seeking and drawing on His grace to do so.  Many do not know how to follow Jesus........they come to faith and then go their own way ever after, many churches are just not teaching people to follow Jesus.  But we need to follow/obey Jesus in our life and walk.....not my will Lord, but thy will be done.  This involves sacrifice of our own will and way.  We take up our cross and follow Him, denying our self.

[Quasar93]

On 1/24/2018 at 6:38 AM, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

No bunkers.

No food caches.

No guns.

No gold.

No Bitcoin.

 

7 TIPS FOR PREPARING FOR THE GREAT TRIBULATION

 

 

1.       Cleanse yourself of every defilement of body and spirit, as necessary.

 

By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before Him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and He knows everything. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do what pleases Him. (1 John 3:19-22 ESV)

 

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9 ESV)

 

2.       Put on the whole armor of God.

 

…Be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might…

Take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day,

and having done all, to stand firm.

Stand, therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth,

and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,

and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.

In all circumstances, take up the shield of faith,

with which you can extinguish the flaming darts of the evil one;

and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God… (Ephesians 6:10, 13, 14-17 ESV)

 

3.       Pray. (For yourself, and for your brothers and sisters in Christ.)

 

To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints…

(Ephesians 6:18 ESV)

 

“But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.” (Luke 21:36 ESV)/"Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." (KJV)

 

4.       Trust in the Lord.

(Take Him at His word, prove it for yourself, and stand on it---as though your LIFE depends upon it.)

 

“Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose trust is in the LORD.

He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream,

and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green,

and is not anxious in the year of drought,

for it does not cease to bear fruit.” (Jeremiah 17:7,8 ESV)

 

5.       Prepare your mind to suffer for Christ’s sake---and look forward to the joy and rest to follow!

 

…Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2 ESV)

 

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when His glory is revealed. (1 Peter 4:12,13 ESV)

 

“Truly, truly, I say to you, you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice. You will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will turn into joy.” (John 16:20 ESV)

 

6.       Cast all your anxieties upon the Lord. (1 Peter 5:7)

 

When I am afraid, I put my trust in You. (Psalm 56:3 ESV)

 

When the cares of my heart are many, Your consolations cheer my soul. (Psalm 94:19 ESV)

 

7.       Keep a loose hand on everything you have (your possessions, your loved ones, and your own life)---and prepare to lose it all for Jesus.

 

“Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it.”

(Luke 17:33 ESV)

 

"Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."  

(Matthew 10:37 ESV)

 

If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain.

Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints. (Revelation 13:10 ESV)

 

 

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“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,

Nor the heart of man imagined,

what God has prepared for those

who love Him.”

(1 Corinthians 2:9 ESV)

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For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro

throughout the whole earth,

to give strong support to those whose heart

is blameless toward Him.

(2 Chronicles 16:9 ESV)

 

 

My dear bro in Christ:  Even if you are living at the time of the Great Tribulation, which is the last 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation, the Lord will come and raise all of us who belong to Him, up. to meet Him in the air, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, as recorded in Jn.14:2-3. 28;1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8, BEFORE that ever happens.  Even so, your seven points are good to observe all the time, no matter what.

Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


Quasar93

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

5 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

 

 

My dear bro in Christ:  Even if you are living at the time of the Great Tribulation, which is the last 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation, the Lord will come and raise all of us who belong to Him, up. to meet Him in the air, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, as recorded in Jn.14:2-3. 28;1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8, BEFORE that ever happens.  Even so, your seven points are good to observe all the time, no matter what.

Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


Quasar93

Of course you will know that this is not correct when it doesn't happen, if the Lord does not show you otherwise beforehand (which I sincerely hope that He will). I hope you will prepare yourself according to those seven tips, and that you will bear them in mind, even though you believe the pre-trib myth. All the scripture in the Bible won't make something that isn't true come true; and it will be obvious that you misunderstood the Scriptures in this matter when what you believe they teach or prove doesn't happen as you believed.

(I don't care how a person arrives at the answer to an equation if the answer is incorrect: If you get 7 from 2+2, you're wrong no matter how you arrived at the conclusion, so showing me the steps is pointless. The pre-trib rapture---like the theory of evolution---is fiction: It makes no difference what "evidence" is used to "prove" it; it is still false. And the pre-trib rapture teaching will be proven false by the events themselves, regardless of whether you understand the Scriptures---as will all misinterpretations of end-time events and their chronology.)

[Quasar93]

3 hours ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Of course you will know that this is not correct when it doesn't happen, if the Lord does not show you otherwise beforehand (which I sincerely hope that He will). I hope you will prepare yourself according to those seven tips, and that you will bear them in mind, even though you believe the pre-trib myth. All the scripture in the Bible won't make something that isn't true come true; and it will be obvious that you misunderstood the Scriptures in this matter when what you believe they teach or prove doesn't happen as you believed.

(I don't care how a person arrives at the answer to an equation if the answer is incorrect: If you get 7 from 2+2, you're wrong no matter how you arrived at the conclusion, so showing me the steps is pointless. The pre-trib rapture---like the theory of evolution---is fiction: It makes no difference what "evidence" is used to "prove" it; it is still false. And the pre-trib rapture teaching will be proven false by the events themselves, regardless of whether you understand the Scriptures---as will all misinterpretations of end-time events and their chronology.)

 

Did you take the time to read my post you quoted, bro?  It has all the Scriptural facts you call a myth, that refute your preconceived views.  Opinion is worthless without verifying Scriptural support.  The bottom line is if you stand by the claims you do about the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church being a myth, you need to field a Scripturally based argument refuting the Scriptures I posted that refute you, or your views are the myth.  Here is more or you to review:

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

Mt.24:31:
[/B] And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth], from one end of the heavens to the other [The Church Jesus will rapture before the seven year tribulation begins]. How did those ELECT get into heaven? Read on to find out.

Lk.21:36:
"Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [Jn.14:28].

The Scriptures tell us where we all go, who belong to Christ, after the death of our bodies:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

1 Thes.4:13-18:
The Thessalonians were very concerned about those among them who had died, that they would not be gathered together with the rest of them when Jesus returned. Paul assures them in vs 13-14 that they will all be returning with Christ from heaven, where they have been since He raised them up to be with Him, the day they died physically, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

"We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him [Died physically]. Vs 14.

"According to the Lord's own word [Scriptural truth as to the fact that Jesus taught there was to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church, as recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

"For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

"Therefore encourage each other with these words." Vs 18.

2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

In verse 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.

From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.


Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!


The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:

http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...eenTheRapt.pdf


Quasar93

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14 minutes ago, Quasar93 said:

 

Did you take the time to read my post you quoted, bro?  It has all the Scriptural facts you call a myth, that refute your preconceived views.  Opinion is worthless without verifying Scriptural support.  The bottom line is if you stand by the claims you do about the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church being a myth, you need to field a Scripturally based argument refuting the Scriptures I posted that refute you, or your views are the myth.  Here is more or you to review:

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

Mt.24:31:
[/B] And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth], from one end of the heavens to the other [The Church Jesus will rapture before the seven year tribulation begins]. How did those ELECT get into heaven? Read on to find out.

Lk.21:36:
"Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [Jn.14:28].

The Scriptures tell us where we all go, who belong to Christ, after the death of our bodies:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

1 Thes.4:13-18:
The Thessalonians were very concerned about those among them who had died, that they would not be gathered together with the rest of them when Jesus returned. Paul assures them in vs 13-14 that they will all be returning with Christ from heaven, where they have been since He raised them up to be with Him, the day they died physically, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

"We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him [Died physically]. Vs 14.

"According to the Lord's own word [Scriptural truth as to the fact that Jesus taught there was to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church, as recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

"For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

"Therefore encourage each other with these words." Vs 18.

2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

In verse 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.

From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.


Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!


The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:

http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...eenTheRapt.pdf


Quasar93

All this trib stuff, pre, mid, post, etc. are just projections of ones personal beliefs.  We will be caught up to be with the Lord at the last trumpet, as spoken in 1 Corinthians 15:50-58, backed up with 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18.  Scripture does not lie, but man can lack an understanding when they try to make scripture fit their personal theology.

Just saying people, this is the only place where we are even given a hint of the timing that I have found where one does not have to read into scripture ... it is as plain as black and white.