King James Version Bible vs. Modern English Bibles

[simplejeff]

Just now, Butero said:

Truth Jeff, but what is the solution?  Do we treat everyone like they are new Christians and never discuss anything but salvation and baptism, the milk of the Word?  Some of us are on steak.  We are past that.

The solution for many/most/some is possibly NOT available on this forum.  It IS available at Worthy Christian Library worthychristianlibrary.com

Discuss anything you like - but with the mixture on the forum open to (and protecting) the world and worldly carnal posts,  seekers and little children cannot (or may not)  often see the difference in the GOSPEL and the FALSE GOSPEL that is present. (and we are not allowed to cut out the false gospel,  and those deceived by it are not all willing to stop preaching it ) ....

In the worthychristianlibrary.com (on this site we are on)  is the TRUTH, the TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS,

and most people/ most visitors and many members are not even aware of it.  

The false gospels are more common throughout the world , as written in Scripture, than the TRUTH IS.

So any building, any group, any government,  any religions,  any forums , open to the whole world is likewise more common to find the false than the true,  and so it is,  just as written in YHVH'S WORD.

 

[simplejeff]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

Not so.  The modern translations were created because of greed and to cause confusion.  I utterly reject the modern English translations.  You use what you want, but they are unclean to me.

I don't worry about "modern" English translations that are like the reader's digest version or worse - there's no need even to discuss them other than once in a while to dismiss them as needed.

[ScottA]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

Are you suggesting we should be less than forthcoming when we teach because some can't handle the truth?  We could have a message rating system where a milk message is for General Audiences and you listen to a meat message at your own risk.  

No, just that we not fall into the same error of following the letter of the scriptures, rather than the spirit in which they were inspired.

As for a rating system, No, the bible itself and certainly Paul is a good example, preaches and teaches on multiple levels without a problem. On the contrary, the problem occurs when a preacher or teacher, singles out their own level of understanding and calls it the only truth and everything else heresy.

Edited February 15, 2018 by ScottA

[simplejeff]

Just now, ScottA said:

the problem occurs when a preacher or teacher, single out their own level of understanding and call it the only truth and everything else heresy.

This is (or has been) obvious in the past year as members revealed their 'sources' of various ungodly doctrines but called them 'right' !    No matter what version they use(d),  they got it wrong ,  and hang on to it for the support (apparently) of their favorite teacher or preacher,  or just one they like or accept without testing and without proving true.

After someone has followed a false teacher even,  casually, for years,  it is or may be very difficult to find out and then to admit that they were in great error.    They may even use KJV,  or any other translation,  but the false teachings oppose all of them(all and any Scripture) - they just are 'blind' and don't know it ....

[ScottA]

36 minutes ago, Davida said:

 As for your tower of Babel quote - so your point is that GOD is "confounding" the translations of HIS WORD in order to MESS people up that they don't understand his word?  

According to Him (not me) He "confounded all language" which would include the scriptures, because men began to do evil in His sight. It is then explained later that "all things come in parables" and the "My words are spirit", and therefore, the scriptures "must be discerned spiritually" because the word has gone out to all, both "the wheat and the tares."

[simplejeff]

1 minute ago, Davida said:

That is a very confused theology you have.

To you. i.e. your opinion.

5 minutes ago, ScottA said:

According to Him (not me) He "confounded all language" which would include the scriptures, because men began to do evil in His sight. It is then explained later that "all things come in parables" and the "My words are spirit", and therefore, the scriptures "must be discerned spiritually" because the word has gone out to all, both "the wheat and the tares."

As through all TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT,

without revelation from YHVH ABBA from Heaven ,  no man can understand anything.

HE DELIGHTS TO REVEAL THE TRUTH !   (to little children)

HE DELIGHTS TO HIDE THE TRUTH!  IT IS HIS GOOD PLEASURE !  (hide it from the educated ones,/ scholars as written)

[Guest Butero]

3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

To you. i.e. your opinion.

As through all TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT,

without revelation from YHVH ABBA from Heaven ,  no man can understand anything.

HE DELIGHTS TO REVEAL THE TRUTH !   (to little children)

HE DELIGHTS TO HIDE THE TRUTH!  IT IS HIS GOOD PLEASURE !  (hide it from the educated ones,/ scholars as written)

I agree with Davida.  

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, ScottA said:

I would laugh, but would not wish blindness on any. But since you mention it...let's not forget that Jesus did not tell all to His disciples, but withheld what they could not then bear, and that they were found sleeping and suffered temptation right up to then end and that very evening Jesus was taken, even after spending all that time with Him. And then, when things were left in their care, Jesus found fault in six out to the seven churches during that same time of their epistles, for which Paul foretold strong delusion.

OH but let us be on guard for many use this , then claim some new revelation of greater truth.  ONLY to find out this so called revelation contradicts the ORIGINAL MESSAGE

and MESSENGER CHRIST JESUS.    yeps,  many do this .  be on guard.   

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, ScottA said:

I would laugh, but would not wish blindness on any. But since you mention it...let's not forget that Jesus did not tell all to His disciples, but withheld what they could not then bear, and that they were found sleeping and suffered temptation right up to then end and that very evening Jesus was taken, even after spending all that time with Him. And then, when things were left in their care, Jesus found fault in six out to the seven churches during that same time of their epistles, for which Paul foretold strong delusion.

What a good reminder about the seven churches of which FIVE were found in fault.  

IF GOD so warned REPENT or else ,    my question is ,  why do some attack the warners who say the same thing , repent or else.

Why do they accuse them of being under the law for correcting , or saying phrases like God is love and use that to justify evil deeds so done in HIS NAME .

My advice is...................OH let the warners , warn.......................oh sing it with me scott.  LET the warners warn

OHHHHHHHHHH   let them remind to be HOLY AS HE IS ,

yes I say let the warners warn .    Okay it wont hit the number one charts.  but it do and does get the point made.  

[simplejeff]

13 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

OH but let us be on guard for many use this , then claim some new revelation of greater truth.  ONLY to find out this so called revelation contradicts the ORIGINAL MESSAGE

and MESSENGER CHRIST JESUS.    yeps,  many do this .  be on guard.   

As always,  'test the spirits' /  by YHVH'S WORD,   for revelation is needed,  required to understand,  but revelation can come from sources instead of Jesus - the enemy spirits/ ways/ demons/ hasatan/ persons/ doctrines/ all are exposed BY TESTING,

and JESUS is Revealed also,  confirmed, BY TESTING.  As YHVH often TESTS His people with a POSITIVE EXPECTATION, to SHOW THEIR TRUE FAITHFULNESS to Him and demonstrate it His Way to others as well.