God curses those against the jewish people

[Heleadethme]

32 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

I didn't say that nothing happened to the Jews during the war, or that the Germans didn't mistreat them, or other prisoners, in any way; I said that the systematic genocide called the Holocaust is a myth. There are no hard facts to support it, but the evidence contradicts the claims and shows how the facts have been deliberately manipulated and obscured by the Jews to substantiate and perpetuate the legend, including by some "Holocaust" survivors. And unfortunately, it seems that anyone who even questions the claims of the Jewish people about this event is unfairly labeled an antisemite.

People have been exiled, put in prison, and even received death threats simply for investigating and presenting the facts about the supposed genocide and disproving some of the claims about what happened in the camps and what the purpose of them was. And the stories and "facts" about the "Holocaust" and its atrocities have changed over the years, precisely because they were proven false.

Some very unethical things have been done to establish and perpetuate this legend, and there are certain Jews who have a vested interest in perpetuating it and protecting it from criticism. I find their dishonesty, deception, and exploitation of people to be despicable. 

Like I said, anyone can look into this subject and investigate the facts for themselves if they wish to. There's nothing antisemitic about wanting to know the truth about history; and if the "facts" about what the Jews claimed happened are really sound facts, they shouldn't need to be protected or defended from critical investigation.

All I know for sure is that the internet is brimming over with propagandized "information" from all kinds of groups with all kinds of agendas.......I'm no researcher, but it boggles my mind as how it is even possible for anyone to verify one fraction of what is out there.  I take everything with a really big grain of salt and try to just focus on the gospel and be led by the Lord.  We are certainly not called to judge the lost, be they Jew or Gentile, but to share the love of Christ and the gospel to them.

[Heleadethme]

28 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That doesn't mean that Israel was "the Church."  The Greek word is Ekklesia and it's Hebrew counterpart is Kehila and it simply means congregation.  

The Church didn't exist until Acts 2. 

No, I'm not saying Israel was "the church"..........just pointing out how she was the church in prophetic type.....our ensample......Israel was like a living parable of the church.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Heleadethme said:

All I know for sure is that the internet is brimming over with propagandized "information" from all kinds of groups with all kinds of agendas.......I'm no researcher, but it boggles my mind as how it is even possible for anyone to verify one fraction of what is out there.  I take everything with a really big grain of salt and try to just focus on the gospel and be led by the Lord.  We are certainly not called to judge the lost, be they Jew or Gentile, but to share the love of Christ and the gospel to them.

So what is your position on the Holocaust?  

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

but I am a critical thinker and I do care about facts and value honesty, and the German genocide of six million Jews that has become accepted as indisputable fact by many doesn't have the facts to support it. The folks who know that the Holocaust is fiction and continue to milk this tear-jerking tall tale for profit are greedy liars and deceivers, exploiting people's sympathies and gullibility. I accept the "Holocaust" genocide story like I accept the theory of evolution.

Good grief sister.........tear-jerking tale??.....fiction??.......the best thing is to try and not think too much but keep our eyes and ears on the Lord and He will not lead us astray, I promise you He does not.  Part of the problem with too much thinking is that it is devoid of love and compassion and mercy.  Be very careful you do not slander or stir up hatred for an entire race of people who are beloved by God for very particular reasons, on the basis of what may or may not be true about a few.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

All I know for sure is that the internet is brimming over with propagandized "information" from all kinds of groups with all kinds of agendas.......I'm no researcher, but it boggles my mind as how it is even possible for anyone to verify one fraction of what is out there.  I take everything with a really big grain of salt and try to just focus on the gospel and be led by the Lord.  We are certainly not called to judge the lost, be they Jew or Gentile, but to share the love of Christ and the gospel to them.

I don't see what the one has to do with the other---the "Holocaust" and our calling as Christians. I simply mentioned something I myself have looked into because I was curious about the facts, because the original post of this thread mentioned Germany's treatment of the Jews during WWII. It doesn't have anything to do with my love or treatment of Jewish people. I do not love them more than non-Jews, nor do I love them less, and I certainly do not hate them, or any other people. Nor is the "Holocaust" any personal preoccupation of mine. I do find history interesting, but that interest has nothing to do with my calling or conduct as a Christian.

[Heleadethme]

17 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

So what is your position on the Holocaust?  

I hardly have the words shiloh........it was unspeakably terrible and tragic, and exposed the worst of what dwells in the hearts of fallen man.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

2 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Good grief sister.........tear-jerking tale??.....fiction??.......the best thing is to try and not think too much but keep our eyes and ears on the Lord and He will not lead us astray, I promise you He does not.  Part of the problem with too much thinking is that it is devoid of love and compassion and mercy.  Be very careful you do not slander or stir up hatred for an entire race of people who are beloved by God for very particular reasons, on the basis of what may or may not be true about a few.

Please do not read more into my posts than what I actually wrote. I do realize that the "Holocaust" is an emotionally charged subject for many, but I simply pointed out facts about it, which anyone can look into for themselves if they desire to. I made it quite clear in my posts that I did not deny that anything at all happened to the Jews during WWII, but said that the facts about what did happen have been exaggerated by some of the Jews, which they have been. Not everything has been, but much has. This has nothing to do with being hateful or loving. Either something happened as people claim it did, or it didn't. And the facts do not support all of the claims and in some cases even contradict them. That's all I said. Anyone can see this for themselves if they care to research it. But most people won't, because it's an emotionally charged issue and sacred to some, and they don't want things like what has been said of me on this thread to be said of them. (I don't blame them.) 

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2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

How do you know what her motives are?

There is none righteous, no not one.  Is Israel righteous?  Remember she is still like the world......politicking and gay marches, corruption, fornication and all the rest of it.  But I think it's a mistake to think that Germany was not judged by God for what they did......the Jews are beloved on account of the patriarchs and God said He would judge those through whom judgment or persecution comes.  I don't blame the Jews for not wanting another holocaust to happen, not one bit, I sure do agree with that......but just that I know they are no different from the world in how they go about things.  How could they not be, because they are still without Christ.

Have you read the next post after your? "So called Holocaust." No "proof" that the Nazis planned to exterminate the Jews? Maybe you should be sure before you defend an anti-Semitic.

[Heleadethme]

5 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Please do not read more into my posts than what I actually wrote. I do realize that the "Holocaust" is an emotionally charged subject for many, but I simply pointed out facts about it, which anyone can look into for themselves if they desire to. I made it quite clear in my posts that I did not deny that anything at all happened to the Jews during WWII, but said that the facts about what did happen have been exaggerated by some of the Jews, which they have been. Not everything has been, but much has. This has nothing to do with being hateful or loving. Either something happened as people claim it did, or it didn't. And the facts do not support all of the claims and in some cases even contradict them. That's all I said. Anyone can see this for themselves if they care to research it. But most people won't, because it's an emotionally charged issue and sacred to some, and they don't want things like what has been said of me on this thread to be said of them. (I don't blame them.) 

I admit it was your wording that upset me......but thank you for your clarification, it sounds at least more balanced.  Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I caution again about getting information off the net....and we need to let the Lord sift everything in our heart and mind, and in light of His word....in order to see how He sees, and most importantly to have His heart.  And I really, really ask for consideration in talking about these things, especially realizing that it is a sensitive subject.....because you are right, it is.  I don't think because it's sacred so much, but because a lot of really really terrible things really did happen to a lot of real people, still fresh in their memory, and we should respect that.

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21 hours ago, Jayne said:

Hitler's third reich, the third German empire, fell defeated.  Hitler is dead and in hell.  Many war criminals of Germany were executed.  The entire nation of Germany was in shambles and ruins, industrially, economically, physically, and even spiritually [Read about the depression that swept over Germany after the war.  Corrie Ten Boom speaks of it in some of her books.]   It took four Allied nations to help rebuild Germany.

What bigger price do you want the Germans to pay that they didn't pay?

 

It should not go unmentioned......As the Russians moved increasingly closer to Berlin they gave an entirely true meaning to “rape, ravage and plunder”....they were the epitome of ensuring “what goes around comes around....

Anybody that does not believe that God curses those that curse Israel .....The Zola Levitt Program just recently did a little follow-up to all those throughout history that have attacked  the Jews......Egyptians... Assyrians.....Babylonians.....Romans......the list goes on.All these foes were eventually destroyed.Current and future enemies can expect the same.One  best not screw around with Israel.God is their Protector.