PAPAL INFALLIBILITY

[B Judson]

In the teaching on the prodigal son, the Father said his son was lost... and only when he came back did the Father say his son was found again.

 

While the son was away, he was considered to be lost by the Father... this is how it is with us and the Lord.

 

If they had been born again according to scripture, they would not be catholic and they would be called by the Lord to not associate with false doctrine and participate with catholicism any further.

 

There's all kinds of warnings in God's Word about not being in agreement or supporting with false teaching.

 

I have family members that have gone to this and they don't want to hear God's Word, they only accept catholic teachings

Edited July 15, 2023 by B Judson

[Vine Abider]

25 minutes ago, B Judson said:

In the teaching on the prodigal son, the Father said his son was lost... and only when he came back did the Father say his son was found again.

 

While the son was away, he was considered to be lost by the Father... this is how it is with us and the Lord.

 

If they had been born again according to scripture, they would not be catholic and they would be called by the Lord to not associate with false doctrine and participate with catholicism any further.

 

There's all kinds of warnings in God's Word about not being in agreement or supporting with false teaching.

 

I have family members that have gone to this and they don't want to hear God's Word, they only accept catholic teachings

Yes, the son was lost, but was still a son, with his father's life in him - no one or nothing can take that away.

Sounds like you've had some personal experiences with Catholicism.   It is indeed a blinding system to so many.  Were you ever personally involved, perhaps growing up?

[B Judson]

Luke 15:24

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.

 

Jesus specifically said... the prodigal son was dead while he was away having turned his back on the Father.

 

During this time, this guy was not saved and did not have the life of the Father in him.  He was lost!

 

What you are speaking of comes from calvinist / reformed theology and is not biblical.

 

God gave man free will and if we decide to walk away from Him... we have sown rejection and we will reap rejection.  There is no such thing as "irresistible grace" that FORCES people to be saved whether they want to be or not.  Man is free to reject the Lord like the prodigal son rejected his Father. 

 

The whole point of Jesus' teaching concerning the prodigal son was to high light the point that the son turned away from the Father and was lost and was dead.

 

He became saved again only after he came back to his Father.... this is applicable to Christians and there is plenty of scripture to show this in the Word of God.

 

Otherwise... let's all go out and get drunk and buy hookers and party cause we can live like the devil and God will just wink at our sin and let it slide... meaning what we sow is NOT what we reap which means God can in fact be mocked!

 

Galatians 6:7 8

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

[Vine Abider]

5 minutes ago, B Judson said:

Otherwise... let's all go out and get drunk and buy hookers and party cause we can live like the devil and God will just wink at our sin and let it slide... meaning what we sow is NOT what we reap which means God can in fact be mocked!

 

Galatians 6:7 8

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

There is Christ's life in His believers and this life constrains us from doing harmful things . . . when we let it operate. (yes, we still have free will)

And while I believe no truly born-again one can somehow be unborn (that is not according to the order of life at all), there are rewards for doing His will, and things withheld if we don't follow His will.  In other words, there is accountability for us believers.  "We shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ, to give an account of things done while in the body, whether good or bad." (1 Cor 5:10-11)

[B Judson]

Romans 8:13  
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 11:22

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Feel free to advocate for the “security in sin” false gospel.... God’s Word does not teach this.

It’s man that came up with the “security in sin” false gospel with the help of the devil.

This kind of teaching is exactly WHY so many are falling away from the faith and are no longer in right standing with the Lord and if they die in this condition they will not be spending eternity with Jesus!

And of course this kind of teaching is WHY so many claim to be Christian and still live in their sinful lifestyles where they look just like the world being friendly with the word making themselves enemies of God! (James 4:4)

[Vine Abider]

2 minutes ago, B Judson said:

And of course this kind of teaching is WHY so many claim to be Christian and still live in their sinful lifestyles where they look just like the world being friendly with the word making themselves enemies of God! (James 4:4)

Yes, and while there is no condemnation for Christians, do you see there is still accountability for Christians?  

What I think you are presenting is actually a false dilemma: either a Christian is walking with Him and are saved; or they are walking in the flesh and are lost.  This sets up a performance-based Christianity where one moment you are saved and the next you're a goner . . . no security whatsoever.

What is more accurate in scripture is that one is saved with the life of God in them eternally.  However, not all actions by the believer are profitable and there is still accountability for things Christians do.  Look at 1st Corinthians 3:12 & 10:23 and tell me what you see there, then let's talk some more.

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes, and while there is no condemnation for Christians, do you see there is still accountability for Christians?  

What I think you are presenting is actually a false dilemma: either a Christian is walking with Him and are saved; or they are walking in the flesh and are lost.  This sets up a performance-based Christianity where one moment you are saved and the next you're a goner . . . no security whatsoever.

What is more accurate in scripture is that one is saved with the life of God in them eternally.  However, not all actions by the believer are profitable and there is still accountability for things Christians do.  Look at 1st Corinthians 3:12 & 10:23 and tell me what you see there, then let's talk some more.

Amen! These issues are why it is vital that we fully understand the work of the cross, resurrection and ascension and our inclusion in those events. Salvation is Relocation.

that foundation prevents many errors.

[JimmyB]

On 7/14/2023 at 8:14 PM, B Judson said:

In the teaching on the prodigal son, the Father said his son was lost... and only when he came back did the Father say his son was found again.

 

While the son was away, he was considered to be lost by the Father... this is how it is with us and the Lord.

 

If they had been born again according to scripture, they would not be catholic and they would be called by the Lord to not associate with false doctrine and participate with catholicism any further.

 

There's all kinds of warnings in God's Word about not being in agreement or supporting with false teaching.

 

I have family members that have gone to this and they don't want to hear God's Word, they only accept catholic teachings

You wrote "While the son was away, he was considered to be lost by the Father... this is how it is with us and the Lord."  Then why was the father looking for him?  Luke 15:20b, "But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him".  If the father, who clearly loved his son, was looking for him and welcomed him, what is the clear meaning of this parable?

[B Judson]

Those that do not understand the Lord does not teach once saved always saved in His Word.... must either agree that a Christian can in fact go out and live in sin and still be approved of the Lord while doing so (as in the Lord doesn't mind a little sin!).

OR, they must concede that God's Word does actually teach that if one turns away from the Lord at that point they are dead and lost (as Jesus very plainly show in His teaching concerning the prodigal son) unless they REPENT of their sin and stop living after the flesh (living in sin).

You can't have it both ways based on scripture.  In order to embrace OSAS one must deny numerous passages to maintain that position which is clearly false doctrine

OSAS / and so called perseverance of the saints is what leads to so many being luke warm as this is what the majority of churches these these days!  They may package it a little different but the bottom line is they falsely teach in the end you can still go to Heaven even if you willingly and knowingly live in sin!

This all came from John Calvin, Martin Luther, Augustine who got it from the devil!  They certainly did NOT get it from the Word of God.

 

[B Judson]

 

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Then why was the father looking for him?

 

The Father never went out to look for him!  There's no evidence of that in Jesus' teaching.  And the Father was not supporting him in any way either. (wasn't sending money or people out to look for him)

 

He wanted the son to come back and waited for the son to come back... but since the son decided on his own to leave, it's the son's responsibility to decide to come back.

The son was not just a lost sheep... he made the conscience decision to leave the Father and the Father let him go

Edited July 16, 2023 by B Judson