No Compulsion in Islam?

[Debp]

I have heard that there is no compulsion about religion in Islam.  However, it certainly does seem like there is.....people raised as Muslims afraid of leaving Islam.  They fear being put to death....or at the least being disowned by their own families.

There probably are many Muslims that are secret believers in Christ as their Savior, but they must remain secret due to the above.

Comments please...

[Mishael]

No compulsion in religion is generally thought to have been abrogated even if it is not, it doesn't mean Islam allows freedom of religion it just means non Muslims can live as non Muslims, but at the price of paying Jizyah and being subject to Islamic law. Muslims are still commanded to fight mushrikeen where ever shirk persists and shirk persists in any country that is not ruled by Islamic law. See this Islamic website for more information:

https://islamqa.info/en/178756

[Adstar]

4 hours ago, Debp said:

I have heard that there is no compulsion about religion in Islam.  However, it certainly does seem like there is.....people raised as Muslims afraid of leaving Islam.  They fear being put to death....or at the least being disowned by their own families.

There probably are many Muslims that are secret believers in Christ as their Savior, but they must remain secret due to the above.

Comments please...

The quranic verse that states that verses have been abrogated by later verses..  The quranic verse that establishes the doctrine of abrogation is::

""" quran 2 : 102 Whatever communications we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring one better then it of like it. Do you not know that allah has power over all things.. """

The peaceful verses of the quran where given by muhammad early on in his deception, This was when he was out numbered by pagans in mecca.. Later when he went to medina and gained a following he statted to give the latter violent verses of the quran that teach true muslims to engage in barbaric savagery against unbelievers and hipocrites ( muslims who ae not being true muslims ) ...

""""quran 9:
73 O prophet strive hard against the unbelievers AND the HIPOCRITES, and be unyealding to them; and their abode is Hell and evil is the destination."""""

And 

"""" quran 9:
111 Surely allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this that they shall have the garden, they FIGHT in allahs way, so they SLAY and are SLAIN....

So true devout muslims should be fighting and killing unbelievers,, The only legitimate excuse not to be killing unbelievers is that the muslim has been killed while being engaged in killing unbelievers..  So the muslims today who are the true devout muslims are people like ISIS .. They are slaughtering unbelievers and they are being slaughtered at the same time..

PS: And only Christians and Jews have the option to remain Christians and Jewish under islamic law but they must pay the Jizyah tax and be made to feel subduded,, which is another way of saying they are to be second class citizens..

"""""quran 9:
29 Fight those who believe not in allah, nor hold that forbbiden that has been forbidden by allah nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued """"

"""people of the book""" Is refering to the Bible. So OT Torah Jews and NT Christians

Edited April 21, 2018 by Adstar

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On 4/21/2018 at 5:41 AM, Debp said:

I have heard that there is no compulsion about religion in Islam.  However, it certainly does seem like there is.....people raised as Muslims afraid of leaving Islam.  They fear being put to death....or at the least being disowned by their own families.

There probably are many Muslims that are secret believers in Christ as their Savior, but they must remain secret due to the above.

Comments please...

No compulsion and yet when Muslims leave their religion, Muhammad in the Hadith categorically says that they should all lose their heads. And yes I too have heard of Muslims who want to leave Islam but are too afraid to

[Mishael]

No compulsion doesn’t come without a price, Jizyah is required and even then the Islamic definition of no compulsion is way different to what you normally expect. 

[Debp]

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

No compulsion doesn’t come without a price, Jizyah is required and even then the Islamic definition of no compulsion is way different to what you normally expect. 

Yes, to me no compulsion in religion means you don't force religion on anyone.

In our Christian faith, we tell people of Jesus and what He did and why, but we never force them to believe.   It's the work of the Holy Spirit to draw people to Christ.... it's an amazing miracle.

[Hidden In Him]

On 4/21/2018 at 8:15 AM, Adstar said:

PS: And only Christians and Jews have the option to remain Christians and Jewish under islamic law but they must pay the Jizyah tax and be made to feel subduded,, which is another way of saying they are to be second class citizens..

Yes, and I believe eventually this right will be withdrawn when the Islamic caliphate is finally established after the Mahdi assumes power. At that time the saying will be fulfilled which promised that "no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelations 13:7). Just because there is "no compulsion" now does not mean there won't be full compulsion eventually. Muslims are notorious for turning the tables on host countries once they gain significant enough numbers to have a political say in things.