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I was wondering when you would get in on this one. :24:

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O'Neill: Oh, yeah, yeah... Not all of it. Actually, I'm listening to it on tape. Don't tell me how it ends.

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I was wondering when you would get in on this one. ;)

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;) A Personal UPDATE Article from Koinonia House Ministries (http://www.khouse.org)

As The Days of Noah Were

Return of the Aliens?

by Chuck Missler

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There continues to be a flow of articles, books, and entertainment programs dealing with UFO's, aliens, and the like. (1) Many wonder if there is a connection or relationship to the prediction of our Lord in Luke 17:26:

"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man." The emergence of the "Nephilim" was what brought about the Flood of Noah. Who were they? Is the current interest in the possibility of "alien" involvements some how of Biblical relevance?

The Nephilim

Genesis 6 indicates that the "sons of God" (B'nai Elohim) took wives of the "daughters of men," which gave birth to the "Nephilim." What on earth was going on?

The B'nai Elohim is a term that refers to angels. It occurs four times in the Old Testament (2) and is rendered "Angels of God" in the ancient Septuagin translation. (3) The intrusion of certain angels into the human family resulted in unnatural offspring termed Nephilim, which derives from the Hebrew naphal (to fall), or the Fallen Ones. (The Greek Septuagint renders this term gigantes, which actually means "earth-born." This is often misunderstood to mean "giants"---which they also happen to have been, incidentally.)

"Line of Seth?"

The early church viewed the B'nai Elohim as angels up through the late fourth century: Justin, Athenagoras, Cyprian, Eusebius, et al. (also Josephus, Philo, Judeaus, and the Apochrypha regard this view).

Celsus and Julian the Apostate exploited the older common belief to attack Christianity. Cyril of Alexandria, in his reply, repudiated the orthodox position. Julius Africanus (a contemporary of Origen) introduced the theory that the "sons of God" simply referred to the genealogical line of Seth, which was committed to preserving the true worship of God.

Seemingly more appealing, the "Sethite theory" prevailed into the Medieval Church, and many still hold this view.

This view, however, has several serious problems. There is no indication that the Sethites were distinguished for piety; they were not exempted from the charge of general wickedness which brought on the flood. In fact, Seth's son Enosh was the one who introduced apostasy to that world. This is masked by a mistranslation of Genesis 4:25, which should read:

"...then men began to profane the name of the Lord." (4) Furthermore, when the faithful marry the unfaithful, they do not give birth to unnatural offspring! And the "daughters of men" were not differentiated with regard to the Flood. All were lost. (5)

(Incidentally, the Nephilim didn't completely end with the flood. Genesis 6:4 mentions, "...and also after that..." We find the sons fo Anak, the Anakim, later in the Old Testament.) (6)

The Reason for the Flood

It was the infusion of these strange beings into the human predicament that brought on the Flood of Noah. The Flood was preceded by four generations of prophets/preachers warning of the coming judgment: Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah.

It seems that this was part of Satan's stratagem to corrupt the line of Adam to prevent the fulfillment of the Messianic redemption. Noah was apparently unique in that his genealogy was still uncorrupted. (7)

The strange events which led to the flood are also alluded to in ancient mythologies. (8) The legends of the Greek "titans"---partly terrestrial, partly celestial---embrace these same memories. (9) (The Greek titan is linguistically linked to the Chaldean sheitan, and the Hebrew satan.)

The Angels that Sinned

There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form, (10) they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food, (11) are capable of direct physical combat, (12) some are the principal forces behind the world powers. (13) They don't marry (in Heaven), (14) but apparently are (or were) capable of much mischief. (15)

The strange events of Genesis Chapter 6 are also referred to in the New Testament. Peter refers to events preceding the flood of Noah:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment..." 2 Peter 2:4

(Peter uses the term tartarus, here translated as hell. This was a Greek term for "the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world." Homer's Iliad portrays tartarus "as far below hades as the earth is below Heaven...")

Also, in Jude, it mentions them:

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6, 7.

Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years.

God has not changed His attitude toward them; time has not mitigated the seriousness of their sin. False teachers are prewritten into condemnation.

The "Sons of God" Return?

There are many who believe that the recent "alien" involvements are also demonic and are just another precursor to the end-time. Some also believe that the Coming World Leader (for more information on the Coming World Leader, see our Briefing Package) may boast of an "alien connection." It would be consistent from what else we can infer from Scripture.

(The Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2 may be restraining far more than we have any suspicion of! When He is removed, the world is in for some astonishing surprises!) (16)

In the meantime, what are our weapons of protection against such things? We do, indeed, "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Our armor is well defined in Ephesians 6:10-17.

The unprepared are in for some unpleasant surprises. Always. Have you done your homework?

Notes:

1. The recent video purporting to be an autopsy of an alien (regarded by most experts as a clever hoax) is an example. Books include:

William M. Alnor, UFO's in the New Age, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids MI, 1992;

I.D.E. Thomas, The Omega Conspiracy, Growth Publishing, Herndon VA, 1986;

Timothy J. Dailey, The Millennial Deception, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids MI, 1995;

David Allen Lewis and Robert Shreckhise, UFO: End-Time Delusion, New Leaf Press, July 1991 (3rd printing in August 1993).

2. Job 1:6; 2:1; 8:7, as well as Genesis 6. They are said to have "shouted for joy" at the creation.

3. This is the translation of the Old Testament into Greek in the third century before Christ. Many of the New Testament quotes are from this translation.

4. Targum of Onkelos: "...desisted from praying in the name"; Targum of Jonathan: "surnamed their idols in the name..."' Kimchi, Rashi, and other ancient Jewish commentators agree. Jerome indicated that this was the opinion of many Jews of his day. Maimonides, Commentary on the Mishna (a constituent part of the Talmud), A.D. 1168, ascribes the origin of idolatry to the days of Enosh.

5. 2 Peter 2:5.

6. Numbers 13:3; Dueteronomy 3:11; Amos 2:9; 2 Samuel 21:15-22.

7. Genesis 6:9.

8. Fallen Angels and the Heroes of Mythology, by John Fleming. (We have lost our copy and it appears to be out of print. We would welcome any leads to obtain a copy!)

9. They rebelled against their father Uranus (Heaven) and after a prolonged contest were defeated by Zeus and condemned into Tartarus, the term used by Peter to refer to hell (2 Peter 2:4).

10. Genesis 19:5, 10, 16.

11. Genesis 18:8; 19:3, 16.

12. Death of the Firstborn in Egypt, Exodus 12; Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis 19; 185,00 troops slaughtered, 2 Kings 19:35.

13. Daniel 10.

14. Matthew 22:30.

15. Genesis 6:1-2; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6.

16. See our Thessalonians Expositional Commentary for a complete study.

This article was first published in the January 1996 edition of Personal Update.

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Textual Controversy:

Mischievous Angels or Sethites?

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? Far more

than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are

a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's

predictions regarding His Second Coming.1

The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient

rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to

fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as

the "Nephilim." So it was also understood by the early church fathers.

These bizarre events are also echoed in the legends and myths of every

ancient culture upon the earth: the ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the

Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and virtually all

the others.

However, many students of the Bible have been taught that this passage in

Genesis 6 actually refers to a failure to keep the "faithful" lines of Seth

separate from the "worldly" line of Cain. The idea has been advanced that

after Cain killed Abel, the line of Seth remained separate and faithful,

but the line of Cain turned ungodly and rebellious. The "Sons of God" are

deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men"

is deemed restricted to the line of Cain. The resulting marriages

ostensibly blurred an inferred separation between them. (Why the

resulting offspring are called the "Nephilim" remains without any clear

explanation.)

Since Jesus prophesied, "As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of

the Son of Man be,"2 it becomes essential to understand what these days

included.

Origin of the Sethite View

It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6

was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics.

(Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also,

celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of

Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)

Celsus and Julian the Apostate used the traditional "angel" belief to

attack Christianity. Julius Africanus resorted to the Sethite

interpretation as a more comfortable ground. Cyril of Alexandria also

repudiated the orthodox "angel" position with the "line of Seth"

interpretation. Augustine also embraced the Sethite theory and thus it

prevailed into the Middle Ages. It is still widely taught today among many

churches who find the literal "angel" view a bit disturbing. There are

many outstanding Bible teachers who still defend this view.

Problems with the Sethite View

Beyond obscuring a full understanding of the events in the early chapters

of Genesis, this view also clouds any opportunity to apprehend the

prophetic implications of the Scriptural allusions to the "Days of Noah."3

Some of the many problems with the "Sethite View" include the following:

1. The Text Itself

Substantial liberties must be taken with the literal text to propose the

"Sethite" view. (In data analysis, it is often said that "if you torture

the data severely enough it will confess to anything.")

The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew,

B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the

Old Testament for angels,4 and it is never used of believers in the Old

Testament. It was so understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, by the

Septuagint translators in the 3rd century before Christ, and by the early

church fathers. Attempts to apply this term to "godly leadership" is

without Scriptural foundation.5

The "Sons of Seth and daughters of Cain" interpretation strains and

obscures the intended grammatical antithesis between the Sons of God and

the daughters of Adam. Attempting to impute any other view to the text

flies in the face of the earlier centuries of understanding of the Hebrew

text among both rabbinical and early church scholarship. The

lexicographical antithesis clearly intends to establish a contrast between

the "angels" and the women of the Earth.

If the text was intended to contrast the "sons of Seth and the daughters of

Cain," why didn't it say so? Seth was not God, and Cain was not Adam.

(Why not the "sons of Cain" and the "daughters of Seth?" There is no basis

for restricting the text to either subset of Adam's descendants. Further,

there exists no mention of daughters of Elohim.)

And how does the "Sethite" interpretation contribute to the ostensible

cause for the Flood, which is the primary thrust of the text? The entire

view is contrived on a series of assumptions without Scriptural support.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is

confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to

those of their own order.6 In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is

called a "son of God."7 The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy

that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited.

Christ uniquely gives them that receive Him the power to become the sons

of God.8 Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new

creation,9 at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a

building of God10 and in every respect equal to the angels.11 The very

term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the

believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly

bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.12

The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no

textual basis and obscures the precision of its denotative usage. This

proves to be an assumption which is antagonistic to the uniform Biblical

usage of the term.

2. The Daughters of Cain

The "Daughters of Adam" also does not denote a restriction to the

descendants of Cain, but rather the whole human race is clearly intended.

These daughters were the daughters born to the men with which this very

sentence opens:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth,

and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters

of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they

chose.

Genesis 6:1,2

It is clear from the text that these daughters were not limited a

particular family or subset, but were, indeed, from (all) the Benoth Adam,

"the daughters of Adam." There is no apparent exclusion of the daughters

of Seth. Or were they so without charms in contrast with the daughters of

Cain? All of Adam's female descendants seem to have been involved. (And

what about the "sons of Adam?" Where do they, using this contrived

dichotomy, fit in?)

Furthermore, the line of Cain was not necessarily known for its

ungodliness. From a study of the naming of Cain's children, many of which

included the name of God,13 it is not clear that they were all necessarily

unfaithful.

3. The Inferred Lines of Separation

The concept of separate "lines" itself is suspect and contrary to

Scripture.14 National and racial distinctions were plainly the result of

the subsequent intervention of God in Genesis 11, five chapters later.

There is no intimation that the lines of Seth and Cain kept themselves

separate nor were even instructed to. The injunction to remain separate

was given much later.15 Genesis 6:12 confirms that all flesh had

corrupted His way upon the earth.

4. The Inferred Godliness of Seth

There is no evidence, stated or implied, that the line of Seth was godly.

Only one person was translated from the judgment to come (Enoch) and only

eight were given the protection of the ark. No one beyond Noah's immediate

family was accounted worthy to be saved. In fact, the text implies that

these were distinct from all others. (There is no evidence that the wives

of Noah's sons were from the line of Seth.) Even so, Gaebelein observes,

"The designation 'Sons of God' is never applied in the Old Testament to

believers," whose sonship is "distinctly a New Testament revelation."16

The "Sons of Elohim" saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took

them wives of all that they chose. It appears that the women had little

say in the matter. The domineering implication hardly suggests a godly

approach to the union. Even the mention that they saw that they were

attractive seems out of place if only normal biology was involved. (And

were the daughters of Seth so unattractive?)

It should also be pointed out that the son of Seth himself was Enosh, and

there is textual evidence that, rather than a reputation for piety, he

seems to have initiated the profaning of the name of God.17

If the lines of Seth were so faithful, why did they perish in the flood?

5. The Unnatural Offspring

The most fatal flaw in the specious "Sethite" view is the emergence of the

Nephilim as a result of the unions. (Bending the translation to "giants"

does not resolve the difficulties.) It is the offspring of these peculiar

unions in Genesis 6:4 which seems to be cited as a primary cause for the

Flood.

Procreation by parents of differing religious views do not produce

unnatural offspring. Believers marrying unbelievers may produce

"monsters," but hardly superhuman, or unnatural, children! It was this

unnatural procreation and the resulting abnormal creatures that were

designated as a principal reason for the judgment of the Flood.

The very absence of any such adulteration of the human genealogy in Noah's

case is also documented in Genesis 6:9: Noah's family tree was

distinctively unblemished. The term used, tamiym, is used for

physical blemishes.18

Why were the offspring uniquely designated "mighty" and "men of reknown?"

This description characterizing the children is not accounted for if the

fathers were merely men, even if godly.

A further difficulty seems to be that the offspring were only men; no

"women of reknown" are mentioned. (Was there a chromosome deficiency among

the Sethites? Were there only "Y" chromosomes available in this line?)19

6. New Testament Confirmations

"In the mouths of two or three witnesses every word shall be

established."20 In Biblical matters, it is essential to always compare

Scripture with Scripture. The New Testament confirmations in Jude and 2

Peter are impossible to ignore.21

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:4-5

Peter's comments even establishes the time of the fall of these angels to

the days of the Flood of Noah.

Even Peter's vocabulary is provocative. Peter uses the term Tartarus, here

translated "hell." This is the only place that this Greek term appears in

the Bible. Tartarus is a Greek term for "dark abode of woe"; "the pit of

darkness in the unseen world." As used in Homer's Iliad, it is "...as

far beneath hades as the earth is below heaven

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