Moses

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Is BD saying we don't have to face consequences?

I think he is trying to find the difference between forgiveness of sin and consequences for sin.

It's like some people think that to forgive a thief means you don't press charges against him. Is that true?

[Guest shiloh357]

Is BD saying we don't have to face consequences?

I think he is trying to find the difference between forgiveness of sin and consequences for sin.

It's like some people think that to forgive a thief means you don't press charges against him.  Is that true?

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I think people fail to distinguish the difference between being punished and facing consequences. What he is asking is whether or not we have to be punished for sins. I am saying that the punishment for sin (eternal separation) was bore by Christ. We still live in a universe where our actions have effects. If we sin, there are consequences, and forgiveness does not remove them.

As far as thief is concerned, yeah some people approach it that way. I don't consider that biblical forgiveness, but that is the way some people approach that kind of scenario.

[Guest Bro David™]

You know what guys.

You people in purple astound me every time on how you so easily debunk anything people ask.

If you had bothered to read through the whole thread you would then see that it is not my theology that I am asking.

Doctrine ?

You can't even answer a simple question with love and understanding and you talk about doctrine ?

It is not my doctrine.

I don't know about your physical handicap.

But know this Jade, it is a handicap when you decide someones doctrine and theology before getting to know why they are asking, what they are asking !

If you cannot even talk to a fellow brother in Christ without attacking His core believe then how do you even imagine to talk to someone of another religion and convince Him/Her of Christ ?

I am astounded that how in one sentence you have made me out to be playing for the other team.

I find it so amazing at how un-nervingly you can call a persons doctrine into question.

Shheeeesh !!!!!!!

[Guest shiloh357]

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[ayin jade]

I have not attacked you Bro David. I have asked you questions, which I still do not yet have your answers for.

[nebula]

As far as  thief is concerned, yeah some people approach it that way.  I don't consider that biblical forgiveness, but that is the way some people approach that kind of scenario.

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I believe this is what BD is trying to get at.

[Guest shiloh357]

As far as

[Guest Bro David™]

If you think that Jesus paid for our earthly consequences as well, then how do you explain that the apostles died, or were jailed? Does my handicap mean that my sins are not forgiven Bro David?

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I do not think anything otherwise than what you have so un-aptly put Jade.

I belive that Jesus died for our eternal salvation.

I do not belive that sickness is a sign of not being forgiven.

I on the contrary am saying that if one was to preach that accepting Christ is Salvation.

We also tend to not elaborate on the fact that the fruits of sin do not necessarily go away or vanish with the act of asking for forgiveness.

I am saying and preaching that if we were to tell someone that their sin will be forgiven we are also to additionally tell them that if you have been forgiven the consequences do not disappear.

I am preaching that the forgiveness is to have restoration with Jesus.

I am saying there is a huge difference between the Forgiveness guaranteed by the Bible and the word forgiveness we use everyday.

I am asking the questions I do ask, to instigate a better understanding into the topic.

The fact of the matter stands that I am in my third year of Theo.

If your words and quotes do no more then humor me into re-visiting the questions then what chances are there that un-saved people will understand them.

I will readily accept de-bunking towards my theology if done with respect.

I have almost 39 pastors and preachers in my class of 48 in my class.

I lead them in prayer before lectures, that is the respect I have earned in their midst.

I do not appreciate my Doctrine or Theology being summed up by people I have never met or by people who could care less how they come across.

This is a forum, we are here to agree or dis-agree personality attacks are way off mark.

Esp: In a fellowship.

I still ask:

If we are gonna tell someone that according to the Bible their sins will be forgiven.

How do we explain to them that they will still be accountable to the sins even with the fact that they were forgiven.

God Bless

[Constant]

Ah yes Bro David! I understand what you are saying ( I think ). If I commit a sin and I know that God has forgiven me, I still have to pay the consequences of my act of sin and that it doesn't just go away. Is that it?

[Gerioke]

All things are permissable (Jesus forgives us)

Not all things are benificial (we reap what we sew)

Yes/no?