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144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

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On 6/6/2018 at 10:07 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

"the Lord did nothing to intervene when Nero was feeding our brethren to the lions and using them to light his gardens. The Lord also did not intervene to prevent the martyrdom of millions of believers over the past hundred years. The Scriptures are very clear, He removes His own before His wrath is poured out, but He allows us the honor of suffering persecution for His name sake so that we may be glorified with Him"

 

This is true and has been the case over the last 2000 + years

But when the Lord's wrath and judgment comes it will be His own motivation upon an unbelieving world

This judgment will last for 7 years .... the 70th week decreed

His focus will be upon Israel and the rest of the earth during the judgment period and the 144000 of Israel will be the first mortals to be protected as they spread the gospel of His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth  

At the same time a multitude of Gentiles will already be made immortal and these will come to the earth with the Lord to destroy the beast and his followers at the end of the 70th week

 

Exactly: the Lord did not save believers from man's wrath. But that said, we are promised in Scripture to not be made to suffer God's wrath;  that is exactly what the tribulation is, from the first seal to the last bowl. As it is Jesus  who breaks the seals, it is God's wrath that descends upon the earth. On that note: when the fifth seal is opened, it is not God who persecuted and killed those under the altar; the seal being opened shows those whom the world has murdered and exposes the world's bloodthirstiness in the first part of the Tribulation. The bowl judgment turning the plantet's waters to blood deals with the Antichrist's persecution of man, but the 5th seal is addressed when the angel hurls the censer full of the prayers of the saints to earth.

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2 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Exactly: the Lord did not save believers from man's wrath. But that said, we are promised in Scripture to not be made to suffer God's wrath;  that is exactly what the tribulation is

Not really.  Two different greek words.  Two different meanings.  Might be worth a word study.  If you're seeking understanding.

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"Not really.  Two different greek words.  Two different meanings.  Might be worth a word study.  If you're seeking understanding"

 

Why do you always try to define different words by some sort of personal differentiation

Scripture is to be read with singular meaning by those who know the truth

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3 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Not really.  Two different greek words.  Two different meanings.  Might be worth a word study.  If you're seeking understanding"

 

Why do you always try to define different words by some sort of personal differentiation

Scripture is to be read with singular meaning by those who know the truth

Please tell me which Greek word is used for tribulation and which is used for wrath, along with a definition of each so I can see what you're talking about.  Certainly you'll help me out here.

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Will the wheat and the tares be here when Jesus returns

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Let me ask that previous question another way .. When Jesus feet hits the Mt of Olive to defeat all the enemies gathered against Israel is that his second return or his third and what part of the end time is that ? Plus are we taken up to be with him forever then on the way to the battle of Armageddon ? I'm thinking between mid and and post trib . I don't know

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The Lord will come at a time that is unannounced just before He brings His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world of humans

This action by the Lord is not given in any scripture and it is the time of the rapture 

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11 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

 

This action by the Lord is not given in any scripture and it is the time of the rapture 

Finally a pre-tribber  admits that the pre-trib doctrine in not in the Bible

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On 6/2/2018 at 10:39 AM, angels4u said:

144 Thousand
   God's focus turns to Israel

The fullness of the Gentiles will conclude the age of Grace with the rapture of the Church. The Lord will then once again call on Israel to be a spiritual witness and light to the nations during the seven year tribulation that will follow. The Jewish witnesses will not only include the much speculated about Two Witnesses (many believe to be Elijah & Moses) (Revelation 11:3-13), but also 144,000 sealed Jewish witnesses made up of 12,000 Jews from each of Israel’s 12 tribes (Revelation 7:4-8).

Just curious,what makes you think they are all Jew's?

Also the below verse states that His servants will be sealed

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

So my question,how can they (most Jew's)be His servants when they don't believe in Christ?And if they were His servants,why were they not raptured?

The Jews are of the tribe of Judah [Ju'-da], and Benjamin only, as well as part of the tribe of Levi.

 

 

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