Still Alive Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 9:51 PM, other one said: I think it's speaking of different light... Yes. This is when he invented the LED light.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 9:05 PM, SmoothRiverFlow said: Do you think the Genesis account of creation is in chronological order? The part where God says "Let there be light" and later on it says he created the greater light and the lesser light. I look at the Genesis account the way I look at Peter denying Christ*. Don't get bogged down in the details. It's not a science book. The general point is that God did it. And it was probably in steps. BTW, when my wife opens the curtains and says "let there be light", she didn't create the sun, she simply opened the curtains. If you get my drift. *One gospel has the rooster crowing twice. The rest say once. If you take it literally, it is horribly contradictory. If you read it to understand the point, they all say the same thing, which is that Jesus said that Peter would deny him three times before the sun rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 9:05 PM, SmoothRiverFlow said: Do you think the Genesis account of creation is in chronological order? The part where God says "Let there be light" and later on it says he created the greater light and the lesser light. Here's a fun one: The first day begins with Genesis 1:3 So, how much time passed between verses 2 and three? A minute, a week, a year, or a billion years? It doesn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,124 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Still Alive said: Yes. This is when he invented the LED light.;) Cute... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, other one said: Cute... About as CUTE as that big old hairy buffalo IS . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted June 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, other one said: Cute... Thanks! I'm here 'till Thursday. Don't forget to tip your waitress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 27, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,124 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Still Alive said: Thanks! I'm here 'till Thursday. Don't forget to tip your waitress! Why just thursday.... I always tip 20%+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted June 27, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) On 6/8/2018 at 11:16 PM, Yowm said: I find it interesting that those are the first recorded words of God speaking, showing that when He speaks He sheds light (understanding) into the darkness (ignorance, chaos). This is an error resulting from our English translations. It has nothing to do with understanding. Quote Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers THE CREATIVE DAYS. (3) And God said.--Voice and sound there could be none, nor was there any person to whom God addressed this word of power. The phrase, then, is metaphorical, and means that God enacted for the universe a law; and ten times we find the command similarly given. The beauty and sublimity of the language here used has often been noticed: God makes no preparation, He employs no means, needs no secondary agency. He speaks, and it is done. His word alone contains all things necessary for the fulfilment of His will. So in the cognate languages the word Emir, ruler, is literally, speaker. The Supreme One speaks: with the rest, of hear is to obey. God, then, by speaking, gives to nature a universal and enduring law. His commands are not temporary, but eternal; and whatever secondary causes were called into existence when the Elohim, by a word, created light, those same causes produce it now, and will produce it until God recalls His word. We have, then, here nature's first universal law. What is it? Let there be light: and there was light.--The sublimity of the original is lost in our language by the cumbrous multiplication of particles. The Hebrew is Yhi or wayhi or. Light is not itself a substance, but is a condition or state of matter; and this primaeval light was probably electric, arising from the condensation and friction of the elements as they began to arrange themselves in order. And this, again, was due to what is commonly called the law of gravitation, or of the attraction of matter. If on the first day electricity and magnetism were generated, and the laws given which create and control them, we have in them the two most powerful and active energies of the present and of all time--or possibly two forms of one and the same busy and restless force. And the law thus given was that of gravitation, of which light was the immediate result. Edited June 27, 2018 by Saved.One.by.Grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted June 27, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) As for Genesis 1:4, Ellicott's Commentary explains darkness as a separation between light and dark. Quote Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers (4) And God saw.--This contemplation indicates, first, lapse of time; and next, that the judgment pronounced was the verdict of the Divine reason. That it was good.--As light was a necessary result of motion in the world-mass, so was it indispensable for all that was to follow, inasmuch as neither vegetable nor animal life can exist without it. But the repeated approval by the Deity of each part and portion of this material universe (comp. Psalm 104:31) also condemns all Manichaean theories, and asserts that this world is a noble home for man, and life a blessing, in spite of its solemn responsibilities. And God divided . . . --The first three creative days are all days of order and distribution, and have been called "the three separations." But while on the first two days no new thing was created, but only the chaotic matter (described in Genesis 1:2) arranged, on day three there was the introduction of vegetable life. The division on the first day does not imply that darkness has a separate and independent existence, but that there were now periods of light and darkness; and thus by the end of the first day our earth must have advanced far on its way towards its present state. (See Note, Genesis 1:5.) It is, however, even more probable that the ultimate results of each creative word are summed up in the account given of it. No sooner did motion begin, than the separation of the air and water from the denser particles must have begun too. The immediate result was light; removed by a greater interval was the formation of an open space round the contracting earth-ball; still more remote was the formation of continents and oceans; but the separations must have commenced immediately that the "wind of Elohim" began to brood upon and move the chaotic mass. How far these separations had advanced before there were recurrent periods of light and darkness is outside the scope of the Divine narrative, which is not geological, but religious. We sometimes read more into our English translations than is meant by its Jewish origins. Edited June 27, 2018 by Saved.One.by.Grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted June 27, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Yowm said: I could cite commentators who would disagree with Ellicott, but commentators are not the basis of truth, at least not as much as Scripture is... Hebrews 11:3 KJV [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. I have no problem with you quoting scripture. My problem is when you add words to it that are not there in the original to make a point. If this was a point Moses was directed to convey at this time to God's people, he would have alluded to it. Are we studying the Book of Genesis or Paul's New Testament writings. God's people in the Old Testament times did not have Paul's words to guide their understanding. It's important to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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