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What role does the Cross play in your walk with Christ?  Have you ever found yourself worshipping the Cross instead of Christ?

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A "cross" in of itself was a torture/ execution device created by Assyria as a painful means of death; it represents misery, extreme pain, shame, harm and death. On its' own, it was a vile thing that was used to murder a lot of people  in various civilizations.

Then, Jesus came to die on it.

The Cross, taken from its' original use (in spite of ISIS still using a form of it for murder) now represents the price Jesus paid for us at Calvary. On it, the sin of the world was taken and Jesus offered Himself, suspended between the earth and heaven, as the sacrifice by which man may finally be redeemed to God. It has been transformed from a symbol of death to one of life (Hospitals, first aid kits, churches, etc.), as Jesus gave life to all who would trust in him alone as their Savior.

Do I worship the Cross? No, the cross without Christ has no meaning; it is the work Jesus did on it that changed its' meaning to the world, and it is the One who died on that Cross that I worship.

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Christ's dying on the cross for my sins means everything to me.  It represents His love for me, in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.  It represents G0d's grace in granting me His righteousness that I may come boldly to the throne of grace.  I will be admitted into His presence.  He has adopted me as His own and given me His Spirit as the down payment on my inheritance.  He has given me love, joy and peace in this life that were make possible by His death and resurrection.  We love because He first loved us.  

I have never worshipped the cross.  I worship the Christ Who died there and arose to forgive the world of its sin.

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3 hours ago, Kirk341345 said:

What role does the Cross play in your walk with Christ?  Have you ever found yourself worshipping the Cross instead of Christ?

The work of the Cross is dead center in my walk with Christ, if for anything else we all have a natural tendency to revert to our works as a basis of approval before God. The cross does away with that pride, as well as exalts the mercy,love, justice and holiness of God.

Yes, it is so important I have been guilty of exalting it more than Jesus even though the Person and Work of Christ are inseparable (except in Worship).

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On 6/12/2018 at 12:31 PM, Kirk341345 said:

What role does the Cross play in your walk with Christ?  Have you ever found yourself worshipping the Cross instead of Christ?

There is no "walk with Christ" without the Cross being the reason for the walk..

The Cross, with Christ on it, is why a believer is a believer, and is the sole reason that God accepts them into His Kingdom family.

On Christian forums, you'll hear a lot of deceived self righteous immature religious people talking a good game about "living holy" and  "working for the Lord", but in fact, if there was no Cross, then Living for the Lord would not be available, much less working for Him, and in both cases they are useless with regards to what the CROSS does for you, by itself.

Without the Cross, there is no such thing as Christianity, as its the CROSS ALONE that gives it its power, its truth, its meaning, and its Hope.

This is why the Apostle Paul said that...."Jesus didnt send me to water baptize, but He sent me to PREACH THE CROSS", AS the "preaching OF THE CROSS is THE Power of GOD unto salvation"....and nothing else.

The "gospel" is not about "letting Jesus into your life" and its not about "making Him the Lord of it"......The Gospel is Preaching the REASON FOR THE CROSS.....

And you might consider that, oh ye reader.

The Cross is WHY Jesus came here...........He came to die on it.......He was both sent and born for this purpose.





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One can lean on the Cross in the sense that if Jesus had not shed His Blood  on it, we would all be lost......either lean on it and what it represents ( the greatest act of love in the universe) or be an “ enemy of the Cross”.Christ endured the torture and the shame of the Cross for the joy he knew awaited Him on the other side of it. That joy came from saving Mankind.....at least those that would “ come to Him. One can do that by believing Paul’s Gospel, given to him by Jesus.....1cor15:1-4

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On 6/12/2018 at 1:31 PM, Kirk341345 said:

What role does the Cross play in your walk with Christ?  Have you ever found yourself worshipping the Cross instead of Christ?

I agree with the other posters here so far in this thread, and in answer to your second question- no.  I cling at the foot of the cross that my Lord offered himself as a sacrifice himself in my place-and I have made JESUS alone Lord over my life. 

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    • By Jonathan BeWell
      Praise the Lord, hallelujah!
      Praise You, God, for your purity and perfection!  Praise You Lord, Jesus Christ, for saving me and my testimony!  Glory be to You, God, our Father who art in Heaven!  Thanks be to the Holy Spirit's comfort, teaching and guidance!  All we know, understand, experience and struggle with is for your glory, perfect plan and unquestionable will.  I shall not want or crave anything outside of Jesus Christ's way.  Let me know if so, let me understand what You want for us is best.  May I pick up and carry my own cross, denying myself for You.  I worship You as all knowing, powerful and gracious.  May I draw closer to You and keep You as top priority in my family's lives.  You are first, my family is second and I am here to serve.  May I serve you reverently, fully and completely.  May there be less of me and more of Jesus Christ instead.  Jesus, You are thee only way, light and salvation.  All I need is You.  God, You take care of the rest.  You are in control, God, making and letting everything happen.  I am in awe and wonder of your creation.  I am eternally grateful, worshipping You and your Son for thee ultimate sacrifice and act of love.  This body is your temple, use it as You will.  Bend me from my will to yours.  It is all about You, everything concerns and relates to You!  Yours is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever and ever, in Jesus Christ's name, amen!
      Sincerely yours,
    • By Jonathan BeWell
      Prayer Time Travel - 
      The Holy Bible records time.  The Bible has a beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation.  God is outside time.  He has no beginning or end.  We have a beginning with no end.  We start in time, then escape it, get outside it with no end.  Many prayers are throughout the Holy Bible affecting past, present and future, from whoever's perspective.  Jesus Christ is!  God is the great "I am," not was nor will be.  
      Jesus prays for all believers.
      20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
      - John 17:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
      Revelation in the Bible affects the past to us now and beyond to the beginning of time, Genesis. A prayer in my future affects me and my now and even my past. My prayer now about my past affects my future. I am affected by my past, present and future, now. I am not an isolated silo. We cause ripple effects, everything affects everything, everything matters. Christ's life giving water is thee all encompassing most important matter.
      I lost my wallet. I decided not to fear or worry. I accepted it and let it go. Eventually I decided to pray about it, relatively long after the fact. Later, a policeman called for me to come get it from him. It had been been discovered moments after I lost it and immediately turned in. A beat cop had happened to be there. The officer had been swamped with work, so had notified and met with me a week later, having been so busy. That was my time traveling prayer eureka moment. At the time, my prayer was only to help process, comfort and put the whole matter in God's hands, whatever His will. I was happy with it and had left it at that. Yay and hallelujah, yet another reason for prayer! Now I realized and believed my prayer had actually traveled back in time. God's reach and power is anywhere anytime. He answered my prayer by changing my past, my reality and my future. What was lost was now found in time.
      December 18, 2016, I prayed a short, simple to the point prayer. I met and surrendered to Jesus Christ as my Saviour and Lord. What I prayed then and there took effect in the past on the cross at Calvary. Jesus Christ was sacrificed for me and my sin debt. That past was affected by prayer in its future. That present took effect in the past and affected the future until the end of time. Then, now and then, I pray in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
      - John 1:1-2 New International Version (NIV)