The timing of the 6th seal

[Heb 13:8]

12 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

Yes Jesus was "harpazo'd". The Greek word means seized/snatched.  This can apply just as well to the ascension as to the rapture of the church.

No He wasn't. The word used in Acts 1:2 is analambanó and Acts 1:9 is epairó. Jesus ascension and the rapture are speaking of two different events. Jesus ascension was slow and in victory, the rapture will be quick and will be a rescue from the red dragon who is Satan. Jesus already defeated Satan, He didn't need to be snatched away with force. He already won. The church however does need to be snatched away from the antichrist system, the 70th week and Planet X. The words used in Acts 1 are not a harpazo, two different meanings in two different context, exegesis. Rev 12:5 verse does not have a 33 year gap in between sentences as some might claim. God bless.

[ARGOSY]

4 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No He wasn't. The word used in Acts 1:2 is analambanó and Acts 1:9 is epairó. Jesus ascension and the rapture are speaking of two different events. Jesus ascension was slow and in victory, the rapture will be quick and will be a rescue from the red dragon who is Satan. Jesus already defeated Satan, He didn't need to be snatched away with force. He already won. The church however does need to be snatched away from the antichrist system, the 70th week and Planet X. The words used in Acts 1 are not a harpazo, two different meanings in two different context, exegesis. Rev 12:5 verse does not have a 33 year gap in between sentences as some might claim. God bless.

I hear your doubts, but this snatching could even refer to the resurrection of Jesus, which was a more explosive event, Jesus being snatched from death out of the tomb. The resurrection of Jesus is even directly compared to the harpazo event in 1 Corinthians 15:

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man,the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God

Bible usage:  catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).

to seize, carry off by force   to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly   to snatch out or away

 

 

[Heb 13:8]

17 minutes ago, ARGOSY said:

I hear your doubts, but this snatching could even refer to the resurrection of Jesus, which was a more explosive event, Jesus being snatched from death out of the tomb. The resurrection of Jesus is even directly compared to the harpazo event in 1 Corinthians 15:

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man,the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God

Bible usage:  catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).

to seize, carry off by force   to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly   to snatch out or away

Rev 12:1-5 sign came to pass on 9/23/17 in the constellation Virgo and Leo, and not 2000 yr go. Jesus wasn't carried off by force, He ascended slowly in victory. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities, not singular. Israel, the church and the antichrist system are all corporate. It's time to wake up.

[ARGOSY]

2 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Rev 12:1-5 sign came to pass on 9/23/17 in the constellation Virgo and Leo, and not 2000 yr go. Jesus wasn't carried off by force, He ascended slowly in victory. Rev 12:1-5 is referring to corporate entities, not singular. Israel, the church and the antichrist system are all corporate. It's time to wake up.

The word "harpazo" is not restricted to "carried off by force"

 catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x)

.Jesus was plucked/pulled from death, by force. Read this description of the force used: 

 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.  The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

 

[iamlamad]

On 10/29/2018 at 4:09 PM, Heb 13:8 said:

Argosy, we won't be here for the 70th week. That's why they call it pre-trib. Rev 12:5 rapture comes prior to Rev 12:9. God bless.

Rev. 12:5 is about Jesus, not about the church.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

The word "harpazo" is not restricted to "carried off by force"

 catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x)

.Jesus was plucked/pulled from death, by force. Read this description of the force used: 

 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.  The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

 

I agree: Jesus was 'caught up." It fits.

[Heb 13:8]

16 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

The word "harpazo" is not restricted to "carried off by force"

 catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x)

.Jesus was plucked/pulled from death, by force. Read this description of the force used: 

 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.  The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

Rev 12:5 is referring to the body of Christ being harpazo'd up to heaven and His throne, being pulled out of this world through rapture. We can do this all day Argosy. Doesn't change the fact that Rev 12:1-5 Great Sign came to pass on 9/23/17. Go on Stellarium and see for yourself, or better yet ask your self if that wasn't the sign on 9/23/17 how then do you see it coming to pass in the heavens? The church has been conditioned to think that they were born on Pentecost, but in actuality the church was conceived in Acts 2:1-4, not born.

[iamlamad]

42 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Rev 12:5 is referring to the body of Christ being harpazo'd up to heaven and His throne, being pulled out of this world through rapture. We can do this all day Argosy. Doesn't change the fact that Rev 12:1-5 Great Sign came to pass on 9/23/17. Go on Stellarium and see for yourself, or better yet ask your self if that wasn't the sign on 9/23/17 how then do you see it coming to pass in the heavens? The church has been conditioned to think that they were born on Pentecost, but in actuality the church was conceived in Acts 2:1-4, not born.

This is only your opinion. In my opinion, and probably Jesus' also, it is wrong. A "sign" came to pass on 9/23/17. It was NOT the sign of Rev. 12 - although it was similar. Rev. 12 did not mention any planets. 

Anyway, good bible students KNOW that the rapture is not in chapter 12. That makes your theory doubly wrong.

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

A "sign" came to pass on 9/23/17.

and what sign was that if not the Rev 12 sign? wake up iam.

[ARGOSY]

2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Rev 12:5 is referring to the body of Christ being harpazo'd up to heaven and His throne, being pulled out of this world through rapture. We can do this all day Argosy. Doesn't change the fact that Rev 12:1-5 Great Sign came to pass on 9/23/17. Go on Stellarium and see for yourself, or better yet ask your self if that wasn't the sign on 9/23/17 how then do you see it coming to pass in the heavens? The church has been conditioned to think that they were born on Pentecost, but in actuality the church was conceived in Acts 2:1-4, not born.

Nah the man-child Jesus, son of David, son of Israel, was snatched up with force at the resurrection of Jesus when the stone was rolled away from Jesus grave. Your view is therefore opinion and cannot be proven.