Why did Satan want Jesus to go to the cross ?

[other one]

Satan may well be a formitable enemy to us, but not to God....   not in the least.

[Unfailing Presence]

18 minutes ago, other one said:

Satan may well be a formitable enemy to us, but not to God....   not in the least.

Exactly. Not anywhere near the power and the mind of God is Satan .  This is why I believe he did not understand what God was accomplishing upon the cross 

[other one]

8 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Exactly. Not anywhere near the power and the mind of God is Satan .  This is why I believe he did not understand what God was accomplishing upon the cross 

if ye had understood that we are going to judge angels, he would not have tricked Eve and Adam into eating of the fruit that gave them the capability of doing so either.

[existential mabel]

Satan made his choice and it was a bad one. He is up the creak without a paddle but nevertheless even though he is defeated his mission now is to convince us all that things are hopeless and or deceive us and he is doing a mighty big job of that with this NAR movement imo.

 

He couldn’t deceive Jesus but he can deceive us and that is why it is so so so important to read the bible each and every day. We seem to live in an age where we are encouraged to think that the bible is no longer enough on its own and we are encouraged to read outside of it which is all well and good but there is a lot of wolf’s in sheep clothing out there .

 

And I remind myself hey the disciples didn’t even have a bible as it was still being written oh sure the OT was available…

[Unfailing Presence]

34 minutes ago, Cletus said:

Not suggesting the enemy is all knowing.  The enemy knows scripture.  The enemy was trying to get Jesus to not go to the cross.  not very much reading into it.  its fairly straight forward. 

Judas's actions the night of the betrayal  once he became demonically controlled by Satan do not line up with an attempt to steer Christ away from the cross in my mind .

In fact every action Judas took once Satan controlled him that night  corresponds with steering everything towards Calvary .

Satan controlled Judas was the key to the mob laying hold of Jesus that night and he did everything they needed him to do to make it happen . 

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by Unfailing Presence

[Unfailing Presence]

36 minutes ago, Cletus said:

1 hour ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Judas's actions the night of the betrayal  once he became demonically controlled by Satan do not line up with an attempt tp steer Christ away from the cross in my mind .

In fact every action Judas took once Satan controlled him that night  corresponds with steering everything towards Calvary .

Satan controlled Judas was the key to the mob laying hold of Jesus that night and he did everything they needed him to do to make it happen . 

 

thats is a pretty good point you got there

I believe there is a connection between what Satan mistakenly thought the cross meant , and Jesus's first sermon post - Calvary which was given to the demonic spirits in chains .

             

                     "  ,,,being put to death in the flesh , but quickened by the spirit .

                         By which also he went and PREACHED unto the spirits in prison ."    ( 1 Peter 3 : 19 ) 

 

When Peter says that Jesus  " Preached "  to these demonic spirits there is no doubt in my mind he was giving them some news that they were not aware of until that moment Jesus preached it to them . 

This was not a  sermon of the " Good News " for them .    I think it was devastating news for these minions of Satan that  were completely unaware of what had taken place upon the cross . 

And if they were caught by surprise , by definition that means that Satan was caught unaware as well .

 

        

Edited July 31, 2018 by Unfailing Presence

[Unfailing Presence]

1 hour ago, Cletus said:

that makes sense because 1 peter 3:20 begins "to disobeying ones"

what you have presented here should be posted in the other thread about did Jesus go to hell after being crucified, because according to this, He did.

I have thought for along time that the enemy wanted to keep Jesus from going to then cross but i never considered the point you made, i had only looked at the temptation and the rebuke.  Now I have to go do an indepth study on this.  I wasnt giving this thread the attention i should have as far as etiquette goes.  I was paying attention to another thread where repentance is being misquoted. 

Thank you , I did raise the question in that other thread about Jesus going to hell , but got no response . 

And I think you are  actually right in part  as well .

I think Satan wanted both things , but at different times .

I think it was Satan's original intention to subvert Jesus , to destroy Him spiritually , not physically .

To have Him sin .

But obviously that was going nowhere for him , this was not Adam or Eve he was dealing with . 

Then he went to plan B . 

I think this is why we are able to look at some of Satan's actions and say they seem to working towards Jesus living , and then other actions of Satan seem to be working towards Jesus dying .

I think it does deserve a thread of its own and I will start one 

[Unfailing Presence]

In an interesting related note , the religious elite  who knew the scriptural prophecies  as well as Satan still went ahead and fulfilled them anyway . Rendered powerless  to do anything but , so  consumed with hate & evil were they . Interesting to note also that Psalm 22 the prophecy of messiah's  death upon the cross is just that , a description of the death and agony with no hint given as to the glorious victory over sin, death , & the grave that will result .

Could it be that these religious intellectuals could have actually reviewed  psalm 22  in regard to what they were about to do to Jesus as having no lasting  negative impact for their actions ? Never being able to make the connection encumbered by  their hate filled evil minds ?

They certainly acted like it .

Could this be the blind bloodthirsty hate filled path Satan took in hounding Jesus onto the cross as well ?

 

                                  " He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him , let him deliver him , seeing he delighted in him . "   ( Psalm 22 : 8 ) 

                              

                                    " He trusted in God , let him deliver him now if he will have him for he said , I Am the Son of God ."   ( Matthew 27 : 43 )