Beware of the Catholic Church!

[Mike Mclees]

When you read Revelation 18 it is addressing more than just one church but all the churches that have become worldly. It says Babylon has fallen has fallen. that great city. Babylon is the worlds systems and orders. Babylon is pollical, religious, and the monetary systems.

Those who love this world love Babylon. They love the marketing bigger pay checks, high class cars beautiful homes with lavish lifestyles. This is Babylon. Then there is political Babylon and its corruptions. The merchants are rich, proud ambitious.  Then there is religious Babylon with all its false religions including false Christianity. When it says come out of Babylon it means   put no faith in the world or its systems. we live only for Christ. There won't be any denominations in Gods kingdom. I'll say it again" there are no denominations in Gods kingdom. Your religious affiliation will not mean anything. I'm not saying stop going to church.  Every believer will be judged for his or her own works. Your pastor or priest won't be there. 

 

[Fidei Defensor]

18 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

People get deceived way too easy .    OF course false ones can appear as men of righteousness .  Satan even appears as an angel of light .

How you think THEY DECIEVE .   they appear righteous ,they can say some truths ,  BUT they of satan and make no mistake about it .

Satans ministirs , as paul called them , SURE CAN appear as ministirs of righteousness.   AND JESUS warned how their would be massive deception , SPECIALLY nigh the end .

Folks ,  we better flee the false churches no matter what their men can say they adhere too .    Folks its just one giant pot of delusion mixed up and being served

with whatever added flavor appeals to whatever group .     I did my duty to man and GOD ,  I WARNED .   I DID .   

Get away from ROME , warn against it , get away from all who are going under this unity move ,  Get away and get out or be deceived many will be .

We do have to be wary of false Christ’s, false prophets, and false gospels (Matthew 24:24, Revelation 13:11-14, Galatians 1:8-9, 2 Corinthians 11:2-15). So your concerns are not without merit. 

6 minutes ago, Riccardo said:

Hi Rrobs,

Would you mind explaining Isaiah 9:6 to me.

 Isaiah 9:6.    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, & the government will be upon his shoulders . And He will be called Wonderful Councelor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace. 

 I see the child being born as Christ, a Son being Given from whom? if it is Christ it is given from the Father. the governments of our kingdom & the heavenly kingdom are on Christs shoulders, is not the Wonderful Councelor  reference to the (Holy Spirit)?. Mighty God Everlasting Father, (Prince of peace (Christ)

Not trying to be disrespectful to any, but what % of knowledge does mankind have relating to the universe?  

With out going into to much & how many times, where the original language has (God is one) it is not singular.

Normally, the genuine comes first, before the counterfeit so to say Christianity copied the pagan trinity seems not to stick with me.

God Bless,

 Sorry to get off the subject matter.

Indeed God is One applies to the name Elohim which was always plural (more than one) as in Genesis 1:26-27 and Genesis 18:1-11. The Holy Trinity as you astutely have said is Scriptural and Scripture is God breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) and whatever God breaths is Truth because He is truth (John 14:6). 

“The Father is God, the Son is God, The Holy Spirit is God: One God in three persons, blessed Trinity.” 

Edited August 19, 2018 by Fidei Defensor

[1to3]

17 hours ago, Yowm said:

• 1. necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn."
• Purgatory
  1. CCC 1031, "The RCC Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The RCC Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
  2. CCC 1475, "In the communion of saints, "a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things." In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
• Indulgences

Thank you Yown for pointing these things out, but you do not give reason for why these things a purely WRONG According to Gods WORD found in the holy scripture=the Holy Bible

 

Gods Word says ALL punishment of sins was fished on the Cross,

Romans 3:21-31 New Living Translation (NLT)

Christ Took Our Punishment

²¹ But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses^[a] and the prophets long ago. ²² We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

²³ For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. ²⁴ Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. ²⁵ For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, ²⁶ for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

²⁷ Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. ²⁸ So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

²⁹ After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. ³⁰ There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.^{[b] 31} Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

 

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  When Christ paid the ultimate penalty for the sins of those who come to HIM through repentance=turning away from  their sins and turning to Live for  God through  His plan of Mercy and Grace in Christ .
 Christ Jesus was sent by God to REDEEM us from ALL from the power of sin. 

Titus 2:14

God's Grace Brings Salvation
…13as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. 14He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. 15Speak these things as you encourage and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

 

  or from Isaiahs 53

Isaiah 53 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Sin-Bearing Messiah

53 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
² For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no ^[a]form or ^[b]comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no ^[c]beauty that we should desire Him.
³ He is despised and ^[d]rejected by men,
A Man of ^[e]sorrows and acquainted with ^[f]grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

⁴ Surely He has borne our ^[g]griefs
And carried our ^[h]sorrows;
Yet we ^[i]esteemed Him stricken,
^[j]Smitten by God, and afflicted.
⁵ But He was wounded^[k] for our transgressions,
He was ^[l]bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes^[m] we are healed.
⁶ All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord ^[n]has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

⁷ He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
⁸ He was taken from ^[o]prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
⁹ And ^[p]they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

¹⁰ Yet it pleased the Lord to ^[q]bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
^11 [r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
¹² Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the ^[s]spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

 

. There is no reason for the fabricated Purgatory  that the RCC adopted from vain philosophies such as the likes of Plato,  since salvation through  Christ  Jesus is a FREE GIFT from God for ALL those who receive and welcome it into their hearts.

[Fidei Defensor]

3 hours ago, 1to3 said:

There is no reason for the fabricated Purgatory  that the RCC adopted from vain philosophies such as the likes of Plato,  since salvation through  Christ  Jesus is a FREE GIFT from God for ALL those who receive and welcome it into their hearts.

Purgatory comes from the Deutercanonical books, “1030, The Final Purification or Purgatory, All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assures of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. 

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: 

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire. He who is Truth says whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. (606, St. Gregory The Great, My. 12:31).

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in sacred scripture: “Therefore [Judas Maccabaeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” (2 Maccabees-2:47). From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. The Church also commends alms giving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead: 

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Profession of Faith, Complete and Updated, pg 291, Image Doubleday). 

Firstly, who knew Judas Maccabaeus was an antichrist! “Therefore [Judas Maccabaeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” (2 Maccabees-2:47). Only Jesus Christ Has atoned for our sins, “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.l,” (1 John 2:1-2), “God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished,” (Romans 5:25), “The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!,” (John 1:29), and, “and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.” (1 Peter 2:24). No wonder we don’t have the Apocyphal in our Bible! 

The concept that someone who does the unpardonable sin may go to purgatory, “He who is Truth says whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come,” (Catholic Catechism) is false, Jesus says it’s unforgivable because it is a rejection of the gospel and calling Jesus an exorcist of the devil: 

“I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, 29 but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.” 30 He told them this because they were saying, “He’s possessed by an evil spirit.” (Mark 3:28-30). Notice the reason is because Pharisees said Jesus castexout demons by the prince of demons, to say this about Jesus is the unparadonable sin. Hence why Paul says, “Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:3). 
 

The  closest thing to the  doctrine of Purgatory in only existed as Sheol or Abraham’s bosom (Luke 16:14-31):, which was a holding place for the righteous Old Testament people (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses and etc) who had not the blood of Christ nor the Gospel to enter heaven. Jesus already harrowed hell and set these people free on Holy Saturday when He preached to them (1 Peter 3:18-21, Acts 2:24). Purgatory in Hebraic sense did exist but exists no longer, it is empty, but the Roman Version where you can spend millions of years or days there being purified  of Seven Deadly sins to enter paradise has no basis in Scripture.  

On the contrary it is written, “We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord,” (2 Corinthians 5:8), “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,” (Hebrews 9:27), “But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--“ (Colossians 1:22), “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins,” (Hebrews 9:22), “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin,” (1 John 1:7), and “Therefore, brethren, since we have full freedom andconfidence to enter into the [Holy of] Holies [by the power and virtue] in the blood of Jesus,” (Hebrews 10:19). 

@Yowm @Heleadethme @frienduff thaylorde

Edited August 19, 2018 by Fidei Defensor

[1to3]

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

4 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Thank you Yown for pointing these things out, but you do not give reason for why these things a purely WRONG According to Gods WORD found in the holy scripture=the Holy Bible

That wasn't my purpose. It was to simply show that Rome had doctrines that contradicted Scripture.

Ok Yown fair enough.

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Firstly, who knew Judas Maccabaeus was an antichrist! “Therefore [Judas Maccabaeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” (2 Maccabees-2:47). Only Jesus Christ Has atoned for our sins, “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.l,” (1 John 2:1-2), “God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished,” (Romans 5:25), “The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!,” (John 1:29), and, “and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.” (1 Peter 2:24). No wonder we don’t have the Apocyphal in our Bible! 

The concept that someone who does the unpardonable sin may go to purgatory, “He who is Truth says whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come,” (Catholic Catechism) is false, Jesus says it’s unforgivable because it is a rejection of the gospel and calling Jesus an exorcist of the devil: 

“I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, 29 but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.” 30 He told them this because they were saying, “He’s possessed by an evil spirit.” (Mark 3:28-30). Notice the reason is because Pharisees said Jesus castexout demons by the prince of demons, to say this about Jesus is the unparadonable sin. Hence why Paul says, “Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:3). 
 

The  closest thing to the  doctrine of Purgatory in only existed as Sheol or Abraham’s bosom (Luke 16:14-31):, which was a holding place for the righteous Old Testament people (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses and etc) who had not the blood of Christ nor the Gospel to enter heaven. Jesus already harrowed hell and set these people free on Holy Saturday when He preached to them (1 Peter 3:18-21, Acts 2:24). Purgatory in Hebraic sense did exist but exists no longer, it is empty, but the Roman Version where you can spend millions of years or days there being purified  of Seven Deadly sins to enter paradise has no basis in Scripture.  

On the contrary it is written, “We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord,” (2 Corinthians 5:8), “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,” (Hebrews 9:27), “But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--“ (Colossians 1:22), “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins,” (Hebrews 9:22), “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin,” (1 John 1:7), and “Therefore, brethren, since we have full freedom andconfidence to enter into the [Holy of] Holies [by the power and virtue] in the blood of Jesus,” (Hebrews 10:19). 

Thank you Fidei Defensor for pointing these things out.

 

Yesterday I attended a RCC funeral service . This time they did not have any hail Marys in the service it was pretty much consistent with the bible in what the priest said about the Lord and Christ. One could not find anything going against the bible until one person from the congregation came up and told us we all need to pray as it is our christian duty  to pray for this person who died to see that they get out of purgatory as soon as possible.

The bible says

Christ died on the cross to abolish All sin for those who have come to Him, repented and turned their lives over to God through Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

All atonement for sins where accomplished on the cross of Calvary through Christ Jesus.   There is NO purgatory and the new testament does no mention anything about purgatory.

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Just prior to His arrest by the Romans, Jesus prayed His last public prayer, asking the Father to glorify Him, just as Jesus had glorified the Father on earth, having “finished the work you have given me to do” (John 17:4). The work Jesus was sent to do was to “seek and save that which is lost” (Luke 19:10), to provide atonement for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him (Romans 3:23-25), and to reconcile sinful men to a holy God. “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation” (2 Corinthians 5:18-19). None other but God in the flesh could accomplish such a task.

https://www.gotquestions.org/it-is-finished.html

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I think it is an important topic to bring up and counter with scripture as many Catholics believe in purgatory and it is important to point out to them that it does not exist and why.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by 1to3

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Anybody that believes in Satan’s lie about purgatory is absolutely clueless about Christianity and tramples  the Blood Of Christ.

[1to3]

10 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Anybody that believes in Satan’s lie about purgatory is absolutely clueless about Christianity and tramples  the Blood Of Christ.

I agree , but how would you go about telling that to a  Catholic in Christian love?

Just telling a person they are clueless is jut insulting and closes off a person .

I believe we have to come to Catholic in Christian Love, and show them kindly through the Holy scripture of the bible.

 

[Fidei Defensor]

22 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Anybody that believes in Satan’s lie about purgatory is absolutely clueless about Christianity and tramples  the Blood Of Christ.

This is true, for works like Purgatory are like works of the Law, “Anyone who believes they can be saved by works of the Law are cut off from Christ, they have fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5:4). That being said we have to figure out like brother @1to3 said, of how to say this in love, “Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.” (Ephesians 4:15). 

[Fidei Defensor]

59 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Ok Yown fair enough.

Thank you Fidei Defensor for pointing these things out.

 

Yesterday I attended a RCC funeral service . This time they did not have any hail Marys in the service it was pretty much consistent with the bible in what the priest said about the Lord and Christ. One could not find anything going against the bible until one person from the congregation came up and told us we all need to pray as it is our christian duty  to pray for this person who died to see that they get out of purgatory as soon as possible.

The bible says

Christ died on the cross to abolish All sin for those who have come to Him, repented and turned their lives over to God through Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

All atonement for sins where accomplished on the cross of Calvary through Christ Jesus.   There is NO purgatory and the new testament does no mention anything about purgatory.

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Just prior to His arrest by the Romans, Jesus prayed His last public prayer, asking the Father to glorify Him, just as Jesus had glorified the Father on earth, having “finished the work you have given me to do” (John 17:4). The work Jesus was sent to do was to “seek and save that which is lost” (Luke 19:10), to provide atonement for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him (Romans 3:23-25), and to reconcile sinful men to a holy God. “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation” (2 Corinthians 5:18-19). None other but God in the flesh could accomplish such a task.

https://www.gotquestions.org/it-is-finished.html

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I think it is an important topic to bring up and counter with scripture as many Catholics believe in purgatory and it is important to point out to them that it does not exist and why.

 

 

I actually have a Catholic friend named Benjamin who was very oppressed and radiated a strange spirituality. He oversaw a part of a Catholic Church, and one day he came over to me and said, “I have noticed that people who read the Bible are different, they are happier and they have something glorious. I decided to read the Bible too and I can’t get enough, I feel changed! I feel happier reading it.” He then went on to tell me he’s helping lead a Bible Study where Catholic Monks are attending and learning from the Scriptures. 

We need to pray this keeps happening. Even Bishop Kallistos and Eastern Orthodox leaders are telling their congregation and priests to read the Bible, “to know it as well as the Protestants.” 

I believe as both Romanites and Easterners read the Scriptures they will be impacted for it “does not return empty.”

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Paul said if you add to his Gospel you will go to Hell.....how’s that for kindness? Jesus referred to some as vipers,others He called “dogs”.Some people need to be jolted out of their false beliefs.Kindness can then follow.It jolted me to find out there are four types of soil and three of them are bad .God desires all

to be saved, but the truth is Hidden from many.That news is jolting.God doesn’t need me and I can add nothing to Him.That too is jolting to hear. Personally I know from experience that a little jolting can go a long way .It worked in my life and that is why I post in the manner that I do on occasion .

Edited August 19, 2018 by Blood Bought 1953