Church of Christ? What do you think?

[DWH2003]

On 9/24/2018 at 8:38 AM, Still Alive said:

That's always been my view. 

One of the reasons I don't get upset with people on forums is because I understand the difference between inference and implication. I am only getting a tiny snapshot of their view on issues that have complexity that could fill books. 

And if you want to argue annihilationism, just go to "rethinkinghell.com" or read this: 

jewishnotgreek.com

They both answer every single point you make. I was an ECT adherent for decades, though I never studied it. Once I studied it, it didn't take long to come to Annihilationism. 

And to be blunt, I think there is more evidence to support universalism than ECT.

For universalism, check out http://www.tentmaker.org/

ECT simply does not match the character of the God of the new testamen, NOR the old testament. Period.

 

Of course, Opinions vary.

 

BTW, when I have to go to Revelation for proof text for my beliefs, I need to re-evaluate my beliefs.

 

So... is there anything Jesus actually said that you actually believe?

[Still Alive]

18 minutes ago, DWH2003 said:

So... is there anything Jesus actually said that you actually believe?

Everything in red.

I think the challenge is that we may both believe what he said, but differ regarding what we believe he meant. A good example would be his comments about Gehenna.

[DWH2003]

On 9/24/2018 at 8:58 AM, enoob57 said:

The problem of Baptismal regeneration is that it makes God a respecter of person... the thief on the cross was redeemed by Jesus on his confession of faith in Who Jesus was! If the baptismal regeneration was a requirement Jesus would have violated His Own Word and requirement of those to come!

Actually, the opposite is true.  Salvation being conditional means ANYONE who believes and does what God says can be saved.

The thief on the cross was pardoned directly by Christ before Christ died.  The Bible teaches that the Old Law was still in effect until Christ died (Rom. 7:1-6) & that Christs' death not only ended that law, but established a new law (Mt. 26:28; Heb 9:16-17).  While a person lives, they can dispense their goods any way they please.  But after their death, the only legal way to receive their goods is by the terms & conditions of their testament.  Thus the OLD Law was still in effect when the thief was pardoned and the New was not in effect yet.  Baptism is required in the New Testament, not the Old.

Also, this thief obviously know something about Jesus.  Where did he learn it?  Either from John or Jesus or Jesus' disciples.  John prepared people for Christ and pointed to Christ by baptizing (John 3:23).   Jesus made disciples by baptizing (John 4:1; Mt. 28:18-20).  Multitudes came to John and even more to Jesus.  Both taught baptism in order to be saved (Luke 3:3; Mark 16:16).  So, whether the thief learned of Jesus from John or from Jesus... he would have been taught about baptism as a condition of forgiveness.

[DWH2003]

Just now, Still Alive said:

Everything in red.

I think the challenge is that we may both believe what he said, but differ regarding what we believe he meant. A good example would be his comments about Gehenna.

I have yet to find anything Jesus said that you actually believe... you find some polite way to deny His words time and again.

Even among the words in red...

 

Neighbor, you might want to think about how serious it is to disbelieve Jesus.

[Still Alive]

Just now, DWH2003 said:

I have yet to find anything Jesus said that you actually believe... you find some polite way to deny His words time and again.

Even among the words in red...

 

Neighbor, you might want to think about how serious it is to disbelieve Jesus.

Give me an example. Seriously. I don't think you are correct.

[DWH2003]

Giving you an example makes no difference. 

We have discussed many things already.

While you are generally polite, you always find a way to dismiss even very plain statements of Scripture.

Respectfully, there is no point conversing with you about Biblical substance.