Salvation and Sin

[Billiards Ball]

2 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

Ok, thanks.  I really don't have too much more to say about this.  I stick by what I've said and I'm sure you do too, so let's just agree to disagree.

I understand, but consider how I disagree with most people, being a born again believer, but you disagree with over 99% of born agains! Based on what you've written to me today, you think most people who name the name of Christ, acknowledge Him as Christ in the flesh and Lord, who pray to Him, etc. -- all the markers in the Bible of a saved person, are actually lost people. Your life will be very lonely if you persist with this doctrine. Please get help and counseling.

[JohnKing67]

1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said:

I understand, but consider how I disagree with most people, being a born again believer, but you disagree with over 99% of born agains! Based on what you've written to me today, you think most people who name the name of Christ, acknowledge Him as Christ in the flesh and Lord, who pray to Him, etc. -- all the markers in the Bible of a saved person, are actually lost people. Your life will be very lonely if you persist with this doctrine. Please get help and counseling.

I think there's more that agree with me then you might think.  I'd be surprised if it were 99% but maybe you're right.

[Billiards Ball]

21 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

I think there's more that agree with me then you might think.  I'd be surprised if it were 99% but maybe you're right.

One comment? Going forward in your Bible study, let the Bible speak to you. Saying things like "what incentive is there for righteousness if we have security?" is a question, but not a Bible question.

[JohnKing67]

18 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

One comment? Going forward in your Bible study, let the Bible speak to you. Saying things like "what incentive is there for righteousness if we have security?" is a question, but not a Bible question.

One thing you might think about, and I don't say this to start an argument but, if what you've said is right, then you and I don't have anything to worry about because whether we sin or not we're ok as long as we know we're saved.  If I'm right a lot of people believing they're ok in their sins might actually not be ok and won't make it to Heaven.  I don't say this to judge but because I'm concerned for their spiritual well being.  

[Billiards Ball]

3 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

One thing you might think about, and I don't say this to start an argument but, if what you've said is right, then you and I don't have anything to worry about because whether we sin or not we're ok as long as we know we're saved.  If I'm right a lot of people believing they're ok in their sins might actually not be ok and won't make it to Heaven.  I don't say this to judge but because I'm concerned for their spiritual well being.  

Brother, I understand, but right now your ministry is to tell the saved they're lost, and mine is to bring many lost people to be saved! Again, the Bible says "trust Jesus for salvation" and not "after you trust Jesus, spend time worrying that Jesus cannot save you from your sin." 

Understand I get where you're coming from, and have many times prayed, "Lord, give me the right gospel, to do your work, rather than destroy souls."

I pray often about my doctrine. If you do also, you will be fine!

[JohnKing67]

1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said:

Brother, I understand, but right now your ministry is to tell the saved they're lost, and mine is to bring many lost people to be saved! Again, the Bible says "trust Jesus for salvation" and not "after you trust Jesus, spend time worrying that Jesus cannot save you from your sin." 

Understand I get where you're coming from, and have many times prayed, "Lord, give me the right gospel, to do your work, rather than destroy souls."

I pray often about my doctrine. If you do also, you will be fine!

no, I'm telling the lost to get saved.  Sin and salvation, in my view, don't mix.  You're either a sinner committing sin or you're saved and not committing sin.

[JohnKing67]

I gotta go for now. I may catch up with you later.  Take care.

[Billiards Ball]

5 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

no, I'm telling the lost to get saved.  Sin and salvation, in my view, don't mix.  You're either a sinner committing sin or you're saved and not committing sin.

Respectfully, that's not true. You already said, "I sin, but then I repent." By your own definition above, you are a lost sinner, which is why it's called sinless perfectionism.

It would be harder to talk to you if you were one of those who claims he never sins.

The problem is you feel you lose salvation, and repent to be saved again, which means many verses of the Bible are untrue. For example, "impossible for them to be renewed into repentance" either means once saved always saved or once lost after Christ ALWAYS lost, a horrid thought!

Edited September 25, 2018 by Billiards Ball

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Here’s your incentive for trying to live a God-Pleasing life “IF” you are saved.It’s human nature to want to repay somebody who has done you a good deed.Some guy up the road from me carried my daughter home after she had been in a horrendous bike wreck.That was twenty years ago and to this day I never fail to wave to him as I go by his home.I would do anything for him to this day.If I can be that grateful to one who did such a simple thing, imagine the gratitude Incould conjure up for the very one who saved me from an eternity in Hell! If one lacks the class to respond to love with love, there exists other ways.If you believe the Gospel of 1cor15:1-4 God is obligated to get you Home.If you enjoy getting your rear-end kicked between the day you first believed until the day you died( which may be much sooner than would be normal), have at it.God will acquiesce.Personally, I am a free man in Christ and I do what I want .The only reason that works is because God has given me a heart transplant and my wants have been changed by an indwelling Holy Spirit.I do the same thing with my sin that God does—— I put it on the Cross and leave it there.If I am fool enough to take advantage of the Freedom that Christ’s death payed for , I can assure you God knows how to chastise his children .Resting,not working ,in the finished work of the Cross and HIS imputed righteousness leads to a joyful, glorious life.Why not give it a try? Faith plus nothing.God bless.

[Billiards Ball]

14 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Here’s your incentive for trying to live a God-Pleasing life “IF” you are saved.It’s human nature to want to repay somebody who has done you a good deed.Some guy up the road from me carried my daughter home after she had been in a horrendous bike wreck.That was twenty years ago and to this day I never fail to wave to him as I go by his home.I would do anything for him to this day.If I can be that grateful to one who did such a simple thing, imagine the gratitude Incould conjure up for the very one who saved me from an eternity in Hell! If one lacks the class to respond to love with love, there exists other ways.If you believe the Gospel of 1cor15:1-4 God is obligated to get you Home.If you enjoy getting your rear-end kicked between the day you first believed until the day you died( which may be much sooner than would be normal), have at it.God will acquiesce.Personally, I am a free man in Christ and I do what I want .The only reason that works is because God has given me a heart transplant and my wants have been changed by an indwelling Holy Spirit.I do the same thing with my sin that God does—— I put it on the Cross and leave it there.If I am fool enough to take advantage of the Freedom that Christ’s death payed for , I can assure you God knows how to chastise his children .Resting,not working ,in the finished work of the Cross and HIS imputed righteousness leads to a joyful, glorious life.Why not give it a try? Faith plus nothing.God bless.

A good point, along with that, I find that "faith saves" people, due to gratitude (and actual salvation) do many more works than "works/prayer/repentance saves" people, for example, the average born again gives at least 10% of their income, the average Catholic is closer to 2% of income. How many lay Catholics live overseas to bring hope and the gospel to foreigners? How many evangelical lay people do the same?