Do You Really Love The Sinner Hate The Sin

[Guest 1sheep]

1 minute ago, naominash said:

The Lord is all truth and all love.

We carry the truth of the gospel of Christ and have compassion for the lost in our hearts. That's a powerful combination!

You hit the nail on the head sis. We must have in us that drive that only comes from a sadness that they are headed for hell. 

I find that very seldom in professing saints to be honest. Just about 4 months ago I had a religious church goer tell me he leaves them atheist alone! I had been telling him of an incident that happened to me since moving to NC and it scared me somewhat. 

I asked him why did he think he was more deserving of being saved than "the atheist"? Didnt he think that they deserved a chance to hear the gospel? 

It made me righteously mad that he had the gall to say such a thing all the while demonstrating  his callused apathetic demeanor!! 

 

[Guest 1sheep]

4 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

I don't use the "Friendship method."

Most people I share the gospel with I only see once or twice. I will not live long enough to reach all the people in this tribe with the gospel.  

 

Isn't this post below the one that drew you into this thread and started this back and forth between you and I? 

As you can see, the people are receiving the full gospel and from multiple sources. They are not accepting it, because it's not up to us when that takes place. It is not the missionary who saves people. It's the gospel and the work of the Holy Spirit. 

I never said that a mere mortal can save a person. But if you like to hear yourself talk,go ahead.

As for me, I think I said all that needs to be said. 

 

[Guest 1sheep]

1 hour ago, PepperS said:

I agree. But, we must also impart the truth in a way that will be received. When I was in unbelief, if someone came on too strong or what I consided to be hateful or preachy, I immediately stopped listening. It was a sister with a calm and loving spirit who caught my attention.

You were saved because God drew you. God knew what you needed because he created you and knows everything about you. Some others may need a totally different approach. That is why we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit

[Guest 1sheep]

11 minutes ago, PepperS said:

James 3:13 - Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1 Peter 3:4 - But [let it be] the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

 Since you just threw some scriptures at me without any of your own words ;I have no idea where you are coming from. 

 

[Guest 1sheep]

1 minute ago, PepperS said:

I apologize.  My point is that we are instructed by scripture to approach things in meekness and love. Arguing with and talking over unbelievers get us nowhere. We need to be gentle and wise as scripture demands. God can handle the rest on his own.

James 3:13 - Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
 

I never said I argued or talked over unbelievers. Why would I do that? That would be counter productive

[Guest 1sheep]

3 minutes ago, PepperS said:

And I never said you did. I am sure you are a great witness for the Lord.  I explained the verses because you said you didn't know where I was coming from.

I would be interested to know what other approach you believe would work since scripture teaches meekness and love.

 I would be interested to know in your own words what meekness and love look like to you.

[Wayne222]

You cannot fellowship with evil. The Bible says clearly he who is a friend of the world is a enemy of God. You can do good for anyone and be light. 

[Guest shiloh357]

9 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

Do you believe this is what saves? 

Repentance, baptism, believing that Jesus was the promised messiah, and His Kingdom is at hand. 

No, I believe the Finished work of Jesus on the cross is what saves.  His offering of Himself as the final offering for sin is what saves.   We are saved by grace when we appropriate the benefits of His finished work on the cross.  We experience the good news of the Gospel when we, by faith, accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. 

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How was Israel looking ahead to something that had not been reveled to them and they didn't know anything about? They were looking forward to a worldly messiah to be their redeemer.

Not necessarily.   The ancient Rabbis, Rabbis who lived earlier than Jesus did, believed in two different Messianic beliefs.   They believed in a suffering Messiah who would be a Savior/Redeemer and they believed in a conquering Messiah that would be their deliverer.

They understood the concept of a sinless substitute by virtue of the ancient sacrificial system.  And they understood the annual festivals as dress rehearsals for a coming redemption of the whole world. 

Christians act like the ancient Jews didn't why they were doing the things they were doing and that assumption is incorrect. The very concept of the Gospel was part of their teachings.   

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! 
(Isa 40:9)

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! 
(Isa 52:7)

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 
(Isa 61:1-2)

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 
(Luk 2:10)
 

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It was Jesus who first started teaching about the cross.  

Yes and that is what Paul preached too, so how can Paul and Jesus be preaching two different Gospels?

[Guest shiloh357]

6 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

Yes, that is the gospel for today, except that I believe that Jesus accepts us.

No, it is how the blessings of Gospel were made accessible to us.   It is faith in Jesus that allows us to appropriate the Gospel.

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Repentance, baptism, believing that Jesus was the promised messiah, and His Kingdom is at hand was the gospel and the plan of salvation for Israel.

No, that is not true and there was no "plan of salvation for Israel."  

 

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This difference between the two clearly shows that there are two gospels with two distinct plans of salvation. One for the Jews and one for the world. 

The Gospel is the Gospel. Trying to artificially manufacture two gospels only demonstrates theological incompetence.

 

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I'm pretty sure they were expecting a worldly king to restore Israel. They were never expecting their messiah to die for their sins or redeem the world in such a way. 

No, that is wrong.   There were two messianic concepts.  They believed in suffering Messiah and a conquering Messiah.   The conquering Messiah was naturally the most eagerly desired concept due to the Roman occupation of God's land.   But the ancient Rabbis taught a suffering Messiah and that concept was in existence at the time of Christ.  What they didn't know and what was debated at the time was whether or not there were would be two Messiahs that would fulfill one role each or one Messiah that would both suffer and reign.   

 

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Jesus was only teaching the cross to His disciples and prophesying about His soon to pass work on the cross. He wasn't preaching that as part of the Gospel.

Actually, He was preaching the cross and Paul preached the cross.   And they were preaching the same thing.  

 

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Even when He discussed these events with His disciples, they didn't understand. 

They didn't understand, but that is beside the point.  

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The gospel (The Good News) to Israel was that the messiah had arrived and the Kingdom was at hand.  Since the Jews were under the law and had been disobedient to God, they had to repent on their own doing and be baptized for their sins to be forgiven.  

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation.   Salvation was always by grace through faith in the OT.  Baptism for the remission of sins under John the Baptist was not for salvation.

 

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Both gospels require faith, but the messages and the audiences were totally different. The gospel that Jesus and the original disciples shared among the Jews will not save anyone today because it lacks the cross and the blood of Christ. 

It saved the thief on the cross.   And people were saved before the cross.  And to say that what Jesus preached will not save anyone today is unmitigated heresy.  

The words of Jesus in the Gospels are the words of eternal life for everyone, not just the ancient Israelites.   That's why we use the Gospel of John when sharing the Gospel with sinners.   

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

If not, why is there so much distinction between the two in the Bible? 

There isn't any distinction between the two except what you are trying to manufacture.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (Galatians 2:7-8)

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The gospel of the uncircumcision would be the gospel of grace and the gospel of the circumcision would be the gospel of the kingdom.  

That is again, an example of what you are trying to manufacture and a really good example of someone who has NO skill in basic hermeneutics and sound doctrine.   

These are not two different gospels.   "The circumcision" refers to Gentiles and "the uncircumcision" refers to Jews.   

The ESV reflects the Greek a little better:  "On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised" (Gal 2:7)

All Paul is referring to is that he was entrusted to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles and Peter was to take the Gospel to the Jews.  It's the same Gospel, but sent to two different groups. 
 

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The gospel of grace required faith alone. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved (Acts 16:31). The gospel of the kingdom required Repentance, baptism, believing that Jesus was the promised messiah, and that His Kingdom is at hand 

 

No, that is what you are assigning to the Gospel of the Kingdom based on your sloppy theology.  

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To me it seems obvious that original disciples who learned from Jesus during His earthly ministry and Paul who learned from the Resurrected Jesus did not preach the same Gospel. They had different ministries, preached to different audiences, and gave different instructions to those they preached to. 

Whatever it is to you, the rests of us know the truth and no one is buying into the heresy of two different Gospels and no one is buying into the heresy that what Jesus preached in the Gospels would not save anyone today.   That is probably the worst thing you could say about what Jesus taught and no TRUE Christian will believe that heretical garbage.

The Gospel of John is the CLEAREST presentation of the Gospel given to the whole world. In fact, it is has the Gentiles as it primary audience given the language and nature of and purpose of the book.