Split: Jerusalem

[OldCoot]

50 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

The good and the bad figs formed that nation in 1948,when I say those that call themselves Jews but are not, the bad are whom I'm referring to.

They know who they are and people in Christ should know as well .

And again, not my words.

Ok.  who are those who call themselves Jews but are not?  That can work a number of ways.... people who claim a jewish ancestry as well as those who promote similar ideas as the church has replaced Israel.  

And given the events of the last 2000 years, it really boggles the mind as to why anyone would want to claim any kind of Jew status when they knew full well that it was a false.

[n2thelight]

1 hour ago, OldCoot said:

Ok.  who are those who call themselves Jews but are not?  That can work a number of ways.... people who claim a jewish ancestry as well as those who promote similar ideas as the church has replaced Israel.  

And given the events of the last 2000 years, it really boggles the mind as to why anyone would want to claim any kind of Jew status when they knew full well that it was a false.

No it can't work a number of ways,they are the sons of cain,they are waiting on their father, satan.

Look at the world, you should know them.

[OldCoot]

47 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

No it can't work a number of ways,they are the sons of cain,they are waiting on their father, satan.

Look at the world, you should know them.

At least there is no ambiguity in where you stand.  We will see how that works out.

But thanks for confirming that the time is near.

Edited October 28, 2018 by OldCoot

[OldCoot]

16 hours ago, n2thelight said:

they are the sons of cain

Why would that be?   Why not the sons of Seth?

Let's see, there is no evidence that Cain was rebellious against God after the time he killed his brother.  In fact, several descendants of Cain had the name of God, Elohim or shortened form El,  in their own names.  No evidence that they rebelled against the Lord.

Now, regarding Seth, there is no evidence that He was somehow a super righteous sort of guy.  Things went south with right away with a son of Seth, Enosh. 

Now the passage in Genesis 4:26 says in many translations that with Enosh, men began to call upon the name of the Lord.  That is not quite what the Hebrew implies.  Actually, it can be better argued that the Hebrew should be translated "men began to profane/defile the name of the Lord"... halal qara Shem YHVH.   Halal is the key word in that verse.  It is the same word used extensively in the Torah regarding defiling or profaning the name of the Lord, defiling or profaning the Shabbat, defiling or profaning an offering to the Lord, etc.

In that passage, the proper name YHVH is used.  But in Exodus 6:3, the Lord makes it clear that He had never revealed His name, YHVH, until then had only revealed to man His personage as El Shaddai.. the God Almighty.  Sure, YHVH is in the text prior to Exodus 6:3, but only the text.  It was never revealed specifically by God to anyone until Moshe.  Do a global search of the text regarding YHVH and you will see that is true.

When we take that into account, and look at how the world became corrupted and fallen angels had started to mess things up, it is likely that God's proper name "YHVH" was made known by these fallen angels and men began to defile or profane The Name.  It fits with how the world became corrupted and had to have the slate wiped clean except for 8 people.  

So again, I wonder how you derived that they are the sons of Cain, either physically or spiritually?

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[n2thelight]

On 10/29/2018 at 12:34 AM, OldCoot said:

Why would that be?   Why not the sons of Seth?

Let's see, there is no evidence that Cain was rebellious against God after the time he killed his brother.  In fact, several descendants of Cain had the name of God, Elohim or shortened form El,  in their own names.  No evidence that they rebelled against the Lord.

Now, regarding Seth, there is no evidence that He was somehow a super righteous sort of guy.  Things went south with right away with a son of Seth, Enosh. 

Now the passage in Genesis 4:26 says in many translations that with Enosh, men began to call upon the name of the Lord.  That is not quite what the Hebrew implies.  Actually, it can be better argued that the Hebrew should be translated "men began to profane/defile the name of the Lord"... halal qara Shem YHVH.   Halal is the key word in that verse.  It is the same word used extensively in the Torah regarding defiling or profaning the name of the Lord, defiling or profaning the Shabbat, defiling or profaning an offering to the Lord, etc.

In that passage, the proper name YHVH is used.  But in Exodus 6:3, the Lord makes it clear that He had never revealed His name, YHVH, until then had only revealed to man His personage as El Shaddai.. the God Almighty.  Sure, YHVH is in the text prior to Exodus 6:3, but only the text.  It was never revealed specifically by God to anyone until Moshe.  Do a global search of the text regarding YHVH and you will see that is true.

When we take that into account, and look at how the world became corrupted and fallen angels had started to mess things up, it is likely that God's proper name "YHVH" was made known by these fallen angels and men began to defile or profane The Name.  It fits with how the world became corrupted and had to have the slate wiped clean except for 8 people.  

So again, I wonder how you derived that they are the sons of Cain, either physically or spiritually?

John 8:39 "They answered and said unto Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus saith unto them, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

Many of these claiming to be Jews were not of the lineage of Abraham, but were the Kenites. Sure they listened to their earthly father Cain who was the first murderer. These Kenites played a dominating role in the plotting and murdering of Jesus. When those Jews believe on Christ, they are no longer children of the devil for they immediately become children of God, and joint heirs with Christ.

Were they doing the work of Abraham? Did they keep the laws that Abraham wrote down? Of course not, they twisted the law to meet their earthly sinful traditions, and lied and plotted to murder anyone that interfered with those traditions. Jesus told them that if you were Abraham's children, then you would be doing the works of Abraham.

John 8:41 "Ye do the deeds of your father." Then said they to Him, "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God."

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Do you know who the devil is? The devil is Satan, and he goes by many names. In Revelation12:9; "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world;" In the Garden of Eden Satan was called the "old serpent, and the tree of good and evil"

Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, And slew him." Cain was a murderer from, or in the beginning.

Jesus is telling it just as it is, The "Kenites" are the children [offspring by lineage] of the devil, through Cain. Jesus identified both Satan, and Cain as being their father. So why is it any secret that they would try to murder Christ, they are just like their fathers Cain and Satan.

Genesis 4:17 "And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."

Cain's wife was not a seed, but a woman and offspring of the earlier creation. You will notice a strange thing that starts here, and continues through the Scriptures. You are reading in the fourth chapter a genealogy of Cain. Then in the fifth Chapter we will come to the genealogy of Adam. You will not find Cain in the genealogy of Adam, for there is no record of Cain anywhere as being of Adam's genealogy. Remember when even Jesus told us that Cain, the first murderer, was of "his father the Devil".

God gave Cain and Adam the approximate same number of children, and Cain will name his children similar names. The difference is in the name ending "el" of Cain's children, and "ah" in Adam's children's offspring. Most people just skip over names, and take their message, and in these latter days can lead you into deception. So this "Enoch" is not an offspring of Adam, but the son of Cain.

Read the linage of Cain in Gen 4

Oh and I never said Seth was super rightous

 

 

[OldCoot]

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

John 8:39 "They answered and said unto Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus saith unto them, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

Many of these claiming to be Jews were not of the lineage of Abraham, but were the Kenites. Sure they listened to their earthly father Cain who was the first murderer. These Kenites played a dominating role in the plotting and murdering of Jesus. When those Jews believe on Christ, they are no longer children of the devil for they immediately become children of God, and joint heirs with Christ.

Two things going on here.  First, Yeshua was addressing the leadership, not the Jewish people. Everyone in attendance, including His disciples and other followers were all Jewish, and from various tribes as well.  Secondly, there is nothing in the text to imply they are spiritually sons or daughters of Cain, and the scripture does not say that Cain was somehow of Satan.   Kenites are a nomadic tribe of Sinai.  There is no indication that they were of Satan either.  Moshe's father in law Jethro was called a Midianite, but was a Kenite.  And he honored the one true God. 

I have heard some bible teachers over the years throw out these kinds of terms, like Kenites, and they are just ideas that they pulled out of thin air.  A careful study of Cain in the scripture does not give any idea that he was of Satan or denied Elohim. He was indeed influenced by Satan (as we all are guilty of in our lives at some point) into killing his brother, but many of the lineage of Cain have the Elohim in their name showing that they acknowledge the one true God. 

And best we can tell, none of Cain's lineage made it thru the flood.  Some have tried to say that the daughters of men in Genesis 6 were daughters of Cain, but that is not supported in scripture. The Hebrew is "daughters of Adam", adam in Hebrew is man.  They were just plain human women descended from Adam. 

And when we look at the Sethite line, things went into the toilet pretty quick.   The world couldn't even get past the son of Seth, Enosh, before men began to profane and defile the name of the Lord. 

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; 

You are imputing your idea on the text.   Yeshua said Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Cain is not Satan.  Cain, like all of us, was influenced by Satan, but that doesn't make him Satan.

 

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Cain's wife was not a seed, but a woman and offspring of the earlier creation.

Now, that one you are going to have to scripturally prove before it can be believed.  I know some have thrown that idea around, but there is no scriptural support and totally conjecture.   It is really dishonest to throw things around as truth when there is no scriptural support.   It is quite likely that Cain married a sister or niece.  Evan Yitzhak married a grand niece of Avraham his father.   The text doesn't say how long from the time of Cains birth to the events that led him moving away and getting a wife.  Many have done probability studies on how many people could be around, starting from two people, and it doesn't take all that long get into thousands of people running around.   At the time of Cain's death, easily 120,000 people could have already been running around.  By the time of Noah, it has been calculated that 7 billion people could have been running around.  More than even today!  And that was just under 2000 years.  But then, life spans were pretty long back then before the flood event.    Before Cain was even 20 years old, Adam and Eve could have had a dozen children very easily. Now, give it another 20 years and Adam and Eve having even more children, and their children from early on could have had dozens upon dozens of children.  It doesn't take too long to end up with a pretty sizable population to pick a wife from.

 

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Read the linage of Cain in Gen 4

Follow your own advice.  The name of God, Elohim, is in many of the lineage of Cain.  There is no evidence that it was a ungodly line.  And the only other incident of a killing in the line was Lamech, and it is clear from the text that it was a killing in self defense.  Hardly murder.   To extend that to say "see!  the line of Cain are all murderers!" is really a stretch and is quite comical.

You have been buffaloed by some slick bible teachers, for sure.  I have heard all of this for years.  It sticks it's head up every now and then.  Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel television deal was really on this kick.  And hidden usually behind this facade is the error of Replacement Theology.  These ideas tend to compliment each other.  Both derived from some pretty bad hermeneutics.

Take Care!

Cliff

Edited October 30, 2018 by OldCoot
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[n2thelight]

19 hours ago, OldCoot said:

Two things going on here.  First, Yeshua was addressing the leadership, not the Jewish people. Everyone in attendance, including His disciples and other followers were all Jewish, and from various tribes as well.  Secondly, there is nothing in the text to imply they are spiritually sons or daughters of Cain, and the scripture does not say that Cain was somehow of Satan.   Kenites are a nomadic tribe of Sinai.  There is no indication that they were of Satan either.  Moshe's father in law Jethro was called a Midianite, but was a Kenite.  And he honored the one true God. 

I have heard some bible teachers over the years throw out these kinds of terms, like Kenites, and they are just ideas that they pulled out of thin air.  A careful study of Cain in the scripture does not give any idea that he was of Satan or denied Elohim. He was indeed influenced by Satan (as we all are guilty of in our lives at some point) into killing his brother, but many of the lineage of Cain have the Elohim in their name showing that they acknowledge the one true God. 

And best we can tell, none of Cain's lineage made it thru the flood.  Some have tried to say that the daughters of men in Genesis 6 were daughters of Cain, but that is not supported in scripture. The Hebrew is "daughters of Adam", adam in Hebrew is man.  They were just plain human women descended from Adam. 

And when we look at the Sethite line, things went into the toilet pretty quick.   The world couldn't even get past the son of Seth, Enosh, before men began to profane and defile the name of the Lord. 

You are imputing your idea on the text.   Yeshua said Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Cain is not Satan.  Cain, like all of us, was influenced by Satan, but that doesn't make him Satan.

 

Now, that one you are going to have to scripturally prove before it can be believed.  I know some have thrown that idea around, but there is no scriptural support and totally conjecture.   It is really dishonest to throw things around as truth when there is no scriptural support.   It is quite likely that Cain married a sister or niece.  Evan Yitzhak married a grand niece of Avraham his father.   The text doesn't say how long from the time of Cains birth to the events that led him moving away and getting a wife.  Many have done probability studies on how many people could be around, starting from two people, and it doesn't take all that long get into thousands of people running around.   At the time of Cain's death, easily 120,000 people could have already been running around.  By the time of Noah, it has been calculated that 7 billion people could have been running around.  More than even today!  And that was just under 2000 years.  But then, life spans were pretty long back then before the flood event.    Before Cain was even 20 years old, Adam and Eve could have had a dozen children very easily. Now, give it another 20 years and Adam and Eve having even more children, and their children from early on could have had dozens upon dozens of children.  It doesn't take too long to end up with a pretty sizable population to pick a wife from.

 

Follow your own advice.  The name of God, Elohim, is in many of the lineage of Cain.  There is no evidence that it was a ungodly line.  And the only other incident of a killing in the line was Lamech, and it is clear from the text that it was a killing in self defense.  Hardly murder.   To extend that to say "see!  the line of Cain are all murderers!" is really a stretch and is quite comical.

You have been buffaloed by some slick bible teachers, for sure.  I have heard all of this for years.  It sticks it's head up every now and then.  Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel television deal was really on this kick.  And hidden usually behind this facade is the error of Replacement Theology.  These ideas tend to compliment each other.  Both derived from some pretty bad hermeneutics.

Take Care!

Cliff

Do you understand what really happened in the Garden?Think you know where I stand

 

Buffaloed not

 

For every positive in the Word,there's a negative,will just leave it at that

Edited October 31, 2018 by n2thelight

[Shilohsfoal]

On 10/24/2018 at 4:48 AM, n2thelight said:

Why is it people can't say nothing bad about Jew's without being labeled anti ?Jew's don't make up all of Israel and most of those in that nation state are not even Jew's

Jesus had plenty of bad things to say about jews.Especially the leaders of the jewish people.

https://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm

And even before Jesus condemned the leaders ofthe israeli people so had the prophets.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/9-16.htm

 

And even today such people as myself point out that the leaders of Israel are corrupt and quite evil.But just as there were many who would stick of for the leaders and judge the prophets and even Christ,so do some on this board.Thats what happens when you tell the truth about the jewish leaders.Just look what happened to Christ for telling it like it is.

https://biblehub.com/luke/23-21.htm

 

Now can you even imagine what someof the people on this board would call Jesus for saying such things as he did if he were ti say them,on this board?Of my

Some people on this board would let Jesus have it withboth barrels.

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by Shilohsfoal