Jew and Gentile

[Guest yod]

Most messianics are not jewish. Jews are only about 35-40% of our numbers (In my estimation; not a scientific study)

To me, the term simply means we recognize that something went very wrong in the origins of the church. It began as an anti-semetic organization that threw the baby out with the bath water and became an institution it was never meant to be. Although there were some things the early church Fathers did right, this wrong was never addressed in the church....until now.

The time to favor Zion has come

Psalm 102:6

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[angels4u]

Most messianics are not jewish. Jews are only about 35-40% of our numbers (In my estimation; not a scientific study)

Ok, then I can call my self also Messianic ? I would love too because I would go to a Messianic church if there was one here......there is so much to learn I don't know.....

Love in Christ, Angels

[Ahavah]

You mean I can call myself messianic without being Jewish?

  Can I? 

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Define "JEWISH"? Blood born or Observant to the Torah given to Moshe. (as defined by the rabbi's.)

But... Yes you can......a messianic believer is one who believes and follows Yeshua as Messiah (Messianic).

You do not have to be Jewish to belive this..In fact "Most" Jews do not believe Yeshua is the Messiah. My hubby is of Hebrew decent, but he does believe in Yeshua..so yes..He is a Messianic JEW. I am Not of Hebrew decent (gentile) but I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah..and folllow His ways..I am Messianic.

[Ahavah]

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[angels4u]

Ahavah

Sounds a good explanation to me

I'm messianic from now on------you're right!

There is a difference-Messianic Jew_ your hubby.

Messianic Gentiles--us

Love you sister!!

My hubby is of Hebrew decent, but he does believe in Yeshua..so yes

Do you mind sharing how he got to know the Lord?

I love to hear those stories, they are so uplifting!!

[Ahavah]

Ahavah

Sounds a good explanation to me

I'm messianic from now on------you're right!

There is a difference-Messianic Jew_ your hubby.

Messianic Gentiles--us

Edited May 21, 2005 by Ahavah

[Shimshon]

There is no difference, Jew or Gentile, you are all one in Messiah. Hence the term "Messianic". A Messianic "Jew" is a person of Hebrew decent who knows Yeshua as Messiah. A Messianic "Gentile" is a person NOT of Hebrew decent who knows Yeshua as Messiah.

The issue arises with the definition of "Jew". I see the term 'Hebrew' being more correct. But today it is associated with 2 House heresy, so.

Torah was not only given to one tribe (Yehudah) or one person (Moshe). Torah is the instructions of God. If he speaks and tells you to do something, that instruction is Torah. Adamah had Torah, Noach, Avraham, Yisrael, Moshe, Yeshua. All were given instructions and told to carry them out. All were Hebrew, aliens in a foreign land. Adamah, cast out of Eden, Noach in a brand new world, Avraham in a brand new land, Yisrael, in a brand new land, Yeshua, out of heaven come to earth.

Judaism was coined after the exile into Babylon. After the return we were "Jews" Yehudim. It didn't matter what tribe you were from, and ALL returned to later be exiled into Egypt. Then still all returned. Those from every tribe. Till Yeshua came in person and scattered us into all the world. Were we are being purified and gathered again, Remnant Yisrael. Each time God sends his seed into a foreign land it grows into a bigger more beautiful tree. More of his heart is revealed.

Each time more are added to the whole of who he is.

Adamah Chavah.....scattered into the world

Noach, shem, Ham, Yafet....scattered into the new world

Avraham, Yitzak, Yaakov,......scattered into Egypt

Yisrael.......scattered into Babylon, Egypt,

Yeshua.......scattered into the world

Each time more Torah is added, more of the promise revealed, and more people to the Book of Life.

Yehudah is a small group that holds a very big part the whole of this plan. The rule never leaves Yehudah. Which means, Yeshua reigns forever. Yeshua represents the tribe of Yehudah, not those who say they are Jews with their mouths and actions but are far from it in their heart. They have a place in this plan as well. May they all come to the saving knowledge of Yeshua, that is written throughout their books, but are veiled from understanding.

So, Messianic is the focal point of who we are. And it works like this. Hebrew (those who God spoke to and instructed to be his set apart people, not just Jews (orthodox rabbinicalism), and Non Hebrews (those who God did not give special attention to for his glory...YET) are in union with the MESSIAH. So, you can define us as Messianic Jew (Hebrew) and Messianic Gentile. The latter definition defines your place of origin. But the former defines your position in God's sight. You are IN UNION WITH MESSIAH. Be you Jew or Greek. You are MESSIANIC. Jews receive the Torah Yeshua spoke and accept his fulfilling actions as being a fulfill of his previous promises in front of their very eyes. I WILL REIGN FROM TZIYON MYSELF!!! And Gentiles receive the same Torah because now, Yhvh came in the flesh and spoke to the Hebrews to SPEAK TO THE WORLD. Now what we have is offered to EVERYONE who is thirsty!!! All can come and drink of him, and be his children. Hebrew or not. Jew or not. Weather you are from the trunk or the branches, all will bear fruit according to the root.

When the Tree of life was a seed it was planted in the garden of eden. It was burried in it's casing in the ground as dead. But out poped Adamah and Chavah. First leaves of a huge tree. As the wind blew and the rains fell the sprout grew. But as a young sapling she was very bushy and wild. Pruning was needed. After the pruning (John 15:3Right now, because of the word which I have spoken to you, you are pruned.) Noach and his family appeared as a set of new mature leaves on this ever growing tree. Now this tree was coming along great, but it needed some training. Like one would train a vine up a lattace. It needed support. So God started to reveal himself more to his child. Avraham not only heard but seen and ate with El Shaddai, Yireh, God Almighty our provider. The tree started to know it's maker even more. More branches formed and leaves abounded. So much that more pruning was needed again. The time for the sapling to become a young tree was about to occur. And Moshe was used to "water" her and prune her so she could be a mighty oak by the river of life. But she was still just a young tree. But now fruit was starting to appear. So a watchtower was placed in the vineyard with a winepress for the fruit to be processed. The laborers though were shrewed and abused the vineyard, causing the Tree in the middle to become barren. By now a grown Tree with no fruit, only leaves galor. Every one saying "Look at me look how God made me". A tree with no fruit. So he cut it back severly. And miraculously guess what happend? The dead fruit from the pruned branches held seeds from the tree. When the branches are pruned they shed their seeds and they fall on the ground and grow. When they grow up and mature enough they are grafted back into the Tree that was pruned making it a Tree bigger than ever imagined, reaching to heaven itself.

No difference now, weather we were added in or part of the original tree, we are all in union now. One Tree. Both living by the water that flows from the root. Some on one side of the tree some on the other, some on the top, some on the bottom. But ALL are part of The Tree. With the same role, 'a branch'. Some arn't living off some secret norishment given only them, because they were their first. And the others added don't need this norishment given them. That Torah was for a reason and a purpose and if you really knew it you would know it is fulfilled. (If you really believed Moshe, you would believe me, because it was about me that he wrote)

Edited May 23, 2005 by Shimshon

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There is no difference, Jew or Gentile, you  are all one in Messiah.  Hence the term "Messianic".  A Messianic "Jew" is a person of Hebrew decent who knows Yeshua as Messiah.  A Messianic "Gentile" is a person NOT of Hebrew decent who knows Yeshua as Messiah. 

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This is exact;y what I have always believed.

[Shimshon]

Ahavah

Sounds a good explanation to me

I'm messianic from now on------you're right!

There is a difference-Messianic Jew_ your hubby.

Messianic Gentiles--us