Those Days Will Be Shortened

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, childoftheking said:

This statement here is what concerns me the most.   The Book of Revelations was not written to cater to currents times (96 A.D.).   Even the Asia Minor churches in Chapters 2/3, were representations of the spiritual issues Paul had with them, and then later, Yeshua describes them to John in a prophetic future sense.  Which we now understand as Dispensations.   And obviously, we are in the very last one, Laodecia.

Just like the Woman dressed in the sun, with the moon as her shoes, and the 12 stars representing the 12 Tribes of Israel matches the dream Joseph had before his 11 brothers sold him into slavery.   And then we find this woman in Chapter 12 pregnant (so she is in labor pains) like Paul describes in 1 Thess verse 5.   And we see the Dragon being cast out with 1/3 like we see in Daniel 12:1.   And then this Dragon tries to attack this pregnant Woman to kill the child, which is Yeshua.   And we can align Revelations 12 with Daniel concerning who stops Daily Sacrifice, which this is when the Jews understand this entity calling itself God is not their Messiah.   This causes a war and where we find 1/3 of the Jews escaping into Petra because the way to Petra is narrow enough for 1 person and the Dragon is too big to follow the escaping Jews.

 

And since we know the Temple has yet to be rebuilt, Revelations 12 and daniel 12 are future events still to come.   So, they are prophetic, even if they also represent like examples of what already took place.

1 Thes. 5:³ For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rev. 12:² And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

When labor pains begin - is there ANYTHING a woman can to to put them off for another day? I think not.  This is the point Paul is making here: the moment the rapture takes place and the church is taken out, God will begin His wrath. There will be NOTHING any human can do to put off God's wrath for another day!  How could anyone do anything about a worldwide earthquake? People could do nothing but die, or perhaps live through it. 

I have already written before the intent of the Author in Rev. 12:1-5. It really has nothing to do with what Paul wrote. Just because both verses are talking about travail of birth does not mean they are talking about the same thing. A beginning reader might imagine so, but we are mature and should study to show ourselves approved. 

I know the intent of the Author in Rev. 12: I know because HE TOLD ME. I will tell you exactly what He said to me:

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted, 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” 

He spoke again.

“I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

There you have it: the intent of the Author. What is it about? Exactly what the words tell us - no more, no less. The Messiah came from Israel. Satan tried to kill Him as a young child. Period and end of story.  These 5 verses are written as a parenthesis that has nothing to do with John's chronology. They have nothing to do with the church. They have nothing to do with what Paul wrote in 1 Thes. 5.

I think all these churches in Rev. 2 & 3 are in the dispensation of grace - i.e. the church age. For sure we are at the end of the church age. However, ALL local churches today are not Laodecian churches. 

 And we see the Dragon being cast out with 1/3 like we see in Daniel 12:1.  I don't see it in 12:1!

This causes a war and where we find 1/3 of the Jews escaping into Petra because the way to Petra is narrow enough for 1 person and the Dragon is too big to follow the escaping Jews.  Now you have added myth. The war starts when the Dragon  discovers people are fleeing. Of course he knows the bible: he will be expecting it.  NO one knows if they will go to Petra. That is only a guess. And Satan can walk through walls; Petra would be no problem for him. The truth here is, GOD PROTECTS THEM. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, choir loft said:

THE LAW HAS NOT CHANGED, NEITHER HAS IT BEEN ABOLISHED.

Jesus said so and I think He knew what He was talking about.

God expects the same from us before Moses, after Moses and in Christ.   You are making reference to the Law which you seem not to understand.   The Law has not changed.

God expects man to obey His law.   The soul that sins shall surely die.  - Ezekiel 18:20

Grace does not subvert the Law.  Grace enables the Law that it may be lived in the life of the one who petitions God for forgiveness and help to do His will.

God does not expect ANYONE to live a life of sin.   Jesus didn't die on the cross so that sin and wickedness may thrive upon the earth.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Do you want to continue to sin and discover what God's opinion of it is these days?   I beg you in the name of Jesus Christ not to be so foolish.

It is of interest to me that you so eagerly embrace sin.   Why?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

In case you just did not notice it: Paul  never taught the early church that they had to be circumcised: yet for Moses it was critical! In fact, Paul went on to say that if believers turned back again to trust in circumcision, Christ would become of no effect to them: He continued by saying they would be putting themselves under the curse of the law because if they were trusting in circumcision then they would be required to follow the WHOLE law.

OF COURSE the law has not changed: it is now written in our heart!  How can one break a commandment and walk in love at the same time?  We love God and we love our neighbor as our-self: that is the law written in our heart. But the 900 and some points to Moses law does not exist for Believers in Christ.  That, my friend, is dispensations: God dealing DIFFERENTLY with people at different times.  Perhaps you did not read:

Hebrews 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

2 Corinthians 3:¹¹ For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Ephesians 2:¹⁵ Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Colossians 2:¹⁴ Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Romans 10:⁴ For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 7:⁶ But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Hebrews 7:¹⁸ For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

NONE of these verses is a license to sin.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, choir loft said:

Your argument is over a question of timing.

Biblical prophecy is not a step by step road map to the future.  It is a revelation of God's intent upon the world and the families of man for the purpose of redemption.  Revelation is made so that man will know God intended certain things to come upon the earth - and why.  They are fuzzy on purpose so that man may not extrapolate his own interpretations too much - and interfere with God's work which He Himself is more than able to accomplish.

Those who buy into buzz words and religious slogans instead of a deep understanding of these predictions fall into error and misjudgment.  Case in point is Ezekiel 37.   (* dry bones and two sticks) Many now deny these twin prophecies of God's Holy Word and accept anti-semitic religious slogans instead.

Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple as well as His own life.  Both happened even as He said it would.  Jesus did NOT say there would be TWO periods of holocaust.  He said there would be ONE.  It is YOU who have expressed hope for another holocaust.   Shame upon you for your bloodthirsty words.

Your interpretation of religious slogans, not Biblical prophecy,  does that.  Beware of buzz words that lead away from God's will.  Beware of religious slogans that lead to hatred and demonic action instead of the love of God and God's chosen people.

Gott mit uns

The above is an example of a religious slogan used for political as well as religious deception.  It is a German phrase which is literally translated as, "God is with us."  It was popularized by Nazi propaganda even as Germans plotted the death of Jews.  You may note that Americans often quote the same phrase ("God bless America") even as they invade countries that have not threatened us - even as it lies to us about its intentions and purposes.  We are as misguided as the Germans before us.

I am not ignoring Jesus words, but I fear you are putting words into His mouth that He did not intend.

I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE IDEA OF A SECOND HOLOCAUST.

So should you - the reader.  It is not not Biblically accurate (one, not two such events).  The Bible does NOT predict two mass murders of Jews.   Only Jew haters long for that future time.  Only those who love mass murder of innocent men women and children look forward to a hideous time of more Jewish bloodshed.  Only Nazis masquerading as Christians wish for such a thing to happen AGAIN.

It is not evidence of Christian love.  It is NOT evident of God's continuing love of Israel......or gentiles who also died in those terrible years.   Conservative estimates are 60 million dead and a total wrecked civilization.   YOU WISH FOR MORE?   Are you so filled with hatred and love of violence that you cannot see the wickedness of this point of view?  It is a doctrine of madmen filled with hatred of Jews and gentiles.    Must the gospel be advanced by means of bloodshed on an industrial scale - AGAIN?  May God forbid it. 

Think about what you are defending.   

Why do Christians act as though it's a crime to be born a Jew?  

Why do you hate Jews so much that you want them all to die before Christ returns to a devastated world?

There will NOT be a second holocaust.   It has already happened even as Jesus predicted - there was never so violent or destructive time in all of human history as those events of the mid-twentieth century.    More Christians died for their faith in those years than any other time in history.  Do you wish for Christian bloodshed as well?  Are you so enraged by your slogans that you care nothing for innocent gentiles as well as Jews?  The Bible says, "to the Jew first, then the gentile." (Romans 2:10)  Mass murder DID happen - even according to Biblical prophecy.  

DO NOT hope for more, for it may be that you and your entire family be caught up in it.    Do you want that to happen?  I pray you do not.  I pray you see the truth and live.   I pray you cease wishing for Jewish bloodshed.

God bless the State of Israel.  May He grant peace to Jerusalem (the inheritance of peace unto Jews).

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

(*) Ezekiel 37 contains twin prophecies about the modern State of Israel.  

First is that the dead Hebrew civilization would be resurrected even unto its original land - Eretz Israel.  

Second is that ALL the tribes, even the scattered northern tribes, would be GATHERED together in the land (Eretz) Israel.  

This GATHERING is falsely assumed to be of gentiles, when it specifically refers to Israel - called Aliyah.  Aliyah is the basic principle of modern Zionism, not heretical Christian replacement theology.  All Biblical prophecy centers upon the State of Israel.  All other issues are peripheral in nature. 

Don't put words in my mouth, as if I believe something I don't! I don't acts as if it is a crime to be born a Jew. I don't hate Jews. Next, I do NOT believe in replacement theology. 

Now, please allow me to ask you some questions:

WHEN did the trumpet judgments happen, as given in Revelation?

When did the vial judgments happen?

Did the Day of the Lord as spoken by Paul in 1 thes. 5 just slip past us and no one knew? If it did, WHEN?

When did Zec. 14:2 take place?

When was the first half of Daniel's 70th week?

When was the second half? What event can prove this took place? Has Satan been cast down yet?

If you can't find a date for these things, will you admit they are yet future events?

 

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[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are missing something! God never had any writer write that 70 years after Israel became a nation, He would return. It is just not there. That is human reasoning or people with poor reading skills.  Obviously the guy that wrote the 88 reasons missed it, as SO MANY before him. All this means NOTHING like you imagine it means. 

³² Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

³³ So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

³⁴ Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What does He say? "This generation will not pass..." In other words, if there is ONE PERSON LEFT that saw Israel become a nation, when Jesus returns, He would not have gone against this verse. But this is supposing that the intent of the Author is that Israel becoming a nation is the budding of the fig tree. I just could be - but it could have a different meaning. Luke says "and all the trees." That could mean all the other nations - but it could mean, when trees begin to bud, we know summer is close.

There were some people during Obama's term as president that said we were in the first year,, they the second year, etc. By now they are all hiding, embarrassed. 

How can anyone know that the "tribulation" or 70th week has started? It is SO EASY: when the trumpet judgments begin, anyone that reads and understands John's chronology will know.  Anyone can know it is ABOUT to start: when the rapture takes half the people off this planet, all should know that the 70th week is about to start.  People make this much more difficult than it really is, with human reasoning. 

Can we know if we are CLOSE?  I think so. As every year goes by, there are less and less of the generation that saw Israel become a nation still alive.  We have seen an extra-ordinary number of blood moons and other signs in the sky. We have seen the world seem to go crazy. There can be no doubt we are in the last days.

 

 

I know God did not have that written, but I know many who have used the 70 weeks of Daniel in that fashion and based it upon when Israel officially became a legal nation.

 

70 weeks in Daniel represents = In the Hebrew, the word translated “weeks” is actually the word “sevens.” So, the text actually says, “Seventy sevens have been decreed…”   this = 490 years!!

 

In your opinion, what is this event?

Edited May 1, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

1 Thes. 5:³ For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rev. 12:² And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

When labor pains begin - is there ANYTHING a woman can to to put them off for another day? I think not.  This is the point Paul is making here: the moment the rapture takes place and the church is taken out, God will begin His wrath. There will be NOTHING any human can do to put off God's wrath for another day!  How could anyone do anything about a worldwide earthquake? People could do nothing but die, or perhaps live through it. 

I have already written before the intent of the Author in Rev. 12:1-5. It really has nothing to do with what Paul wrote. Just because both verses are talking about travail of birth does not mean they are talking about the same thing. A beginning reader might imagine so, but we are mature and should study to show ourselves approved. 

I know the intent of the Author in Rev. 12: I know because HE TOLD ME. I will tell you exactly what He said to me:

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted, 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” 

He spoke again.

“I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

There you have it: the intent of the Author. What is it about? Exactly what the words tell us - no more, no less. The Messiah came from Israel. Satan tried to kill Him as a young child. Period and end of story.  These 5 verses are written as a parenthesis that has nothing to do with John's chronology. They have nothing to do with the church. They have nothing to do with what Paul wrote in 1 Thes. 5.

I think all these churches in Rev. 2 & 3 are in the dispensation of grace - i.e. the church age. For sure we are at the end of the church age. However, ALL local churches today are not Laodecian churches. 

 And we see the Dragon being cast out with 1/3 like we see in Daniel 12:1.  I don't see it in 12:1!

This causes a war and where we find 1/3 of the Jews escaping into Petra because the way to Petra is narrow enough for 1 person and the Dragon is too big to follow the escaping Jews.  Now you have added myth. The war starts when the Dragon  discovers people are fleeing. Of course he knows the bible: he will be expecting it.  NO one knows if they will go to Petra. That is only a guess. And Satan can walk through walls; Petra would be no problem for him. The truth here is, GOD PROTECTS THEM. 

 

John knew who the Dragon was the many times he witnessed Yeshua speaking to Demons and casting them out.   John the Beloved, was given great insight from Yeshua (read the Gospel of John, unlike the other Gospels and the depth is obviously greater than that of Matthew-Mark-Luke).   He was alone in Patmos with nothing but time between himself and God.   The Dragon would be no secret when he witnessed Yeshua calling Peter "the Adversary," when Peter wanted to stop Yeshua from going to Jerusalem to die.   John knew this Dragon when Yeshua described watching him fall as lightning.   John, of all of the Disciples, knew who the ENEMY was before ever writing about the enemy.

 

So NO, the 12th Chapter is a prophetic and spiritual chapter, not a history lesson John decided to add to Revelations!!

Edited May 1, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

 

I know God did not have that written, but I know many who have used the 70 weeks of Daniel in that fashion and based it upon when Israel officially became a legal nation.

 

70 weeks in Daniel represents = In the Hebrew, the word translated “weeks” is actually the word “sevens.” So, the text actually says, “Seventy sevens have been decreed…”   this = 490 years!!

 

In your opinion, what is this event?

 

 

If Daniel wrote this according to the time frames that we know when the kings he mentions ruled (Darius was in his 3rd year, Nebuchadnezzar was in his 1st year of reign etc), that puts this around 600 BC.   490 years from then puts us around 100 BC.   So what event happened in 100 BC since we know this is not about the final 7 year Tribulation?

 

This is the benefit to Seminary, learning and understanding the HEBREW by which the KJV Old Testament was translated from.   This is another reason I suggest Seminary, because reading this from the original Hebrew explains why this COULD NOT BE the final 7 year Tribulation, or as you suggest the beginning of God's Wrath...

 

And when you properly apply the original Hebrew, then you can see that it is YOU, WHO are doing what you accused me of doing...creating a wrong hypothesis, by misusing and misinterpreting scripture!!

Edited May 1, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

the Event represents:

 

The prophecy begins by stating that six things will be accomplished regarding the Jewish people during a period of 490 years:

• “Finish the transgression”
• “Make an end of sin”
• “Make atonement for iniquity”
• “Bring in everlasting righteousness”
• “Seal up vision and prophecy”
• “Anoint the most holy place”

 

 

Let’s take a moment to consider the meaning of these six prophecies. The first, “finish the transgression,” refers to the Jew’s rejection of God. The Hebrew word translated “transgression” connotes the idea of rebellion, and the rebellion of the Jewish people is their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Jesus said He would not return until the Jewish people are willing to say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord” (Matthew 23:37-39). The Jews will open their hearts to their Messiah before Daniel’s 490 year period ends.

The period will also witness an “end of sin” for the Jews. The word translated “sin” refers to the sins of daily life — sins of dishonesty and immorality. This end of sin will occur at the time the Jews accept their Messiah and His earthly reign of righteousness begins.

An atonement for Israel’s sins is the third thing that will happen during Daniel’s 70 weeks of years. This atonement occurred, of course, when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross for the sins of the world. But that atonement will not actually be applied to the Jews until they appropriate it by accepting Jesus as their Messiah.

The 490 year period will also “bring in everlasting righteousness.” This undoubtedly refers to the establishment of the Messiah’s earthly reign when the earth will be flooded with peace, righteousness and justice as the waters cover the sea.

The fifth achievement will be the fulfillment of all prophecy concerning the Messiah. The Apostle Peter referred to two types of Messianic prophecy — those related to “the sufferings of Christ” and those concerning “the glories to follow” (1 Peter 1:11). The suffering prophecies were all fulfilled at the Cross. The prophecies concerning “the glories to follow”are yet to be fulfilled. Just as Jesus was humiliated in history, He is going to be glorified in history. This will occur when the Jews accept Him, and He returns to reign over the world from Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.

The final goal to be achieved at the end of the 70 weeks of years is “the anointing of the most holy.” Most English translations say “the most holy place.” The Hebrew simply says, “the most holy.” 

The Starting Point

Daniel says all these spiritual goals will be accomplished within a special period of 490 years. When did that period begin, and when did it end? It is when Daniel addresses these questions that he begins to give clues as to the timing of the First and Second Advents of the Messiah.

The prophecy says that the starting point of the 70 weeks of years will be “the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem” (Daniel 9:25). Keep in mind that this prophecy was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel during the time of Israel’s exile in Babylon. The approximate date was 538 B.C., shortly before the first remnant of Jews were allowed to return to Jerusalem in 536 B.C. under Zerubbabel. Jerusalem was in ruins at this time, having been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar 70 years earlier in 586 B.C. (The captivity had begun in 605 B.C., before the destruction of Jerusalem, when Nebuchadnezzar took Daniel and other “youths” to Babylon as hostages — Daniel 1:1-4.)

The crucial question relates to when the decree was issued “to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.” There are three possible dates:

• 538 B.C. — Cyrus, King of Persia, issued a decree to Zerubbabel to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-3; and Ezra 6:1-5).
• 457 B.C. — Artaxerxes, King of Persia, issued a decree to Ezra authorizing him to reinstitute the Temple services, appoint judges and magistrates, and teach the Law (Ezra 7:11-26).
• 445 B.C. — Artaxerxes issued a decree to Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8).

On the surface, the third decree, the one issued to Nehemiah, seems to be the most obvious candidate for the starting date of the prophecy, for it is the only one that specifically relates to the rebuilding of the city. For that reason, most commentators have selected it as the beginning of the 70 weeks of years.

 

 

DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS REPRESENT THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH (YESHUA)!!

And You have equated the Wonderful Prophecy of the coming MESSIAH to the rule of the ANTICHRIST in Tribulation!!

Just WOW!!

That is almost BLASPHEMOUS!!

Edited May 1, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

15 minutes ago, childoftheking said:

the Event represents:

 

The prophecy begins by stating that six things will be accomplished regarding the Jewish people during a period of 490 years:

• “Finish the transgression”
• “Make an end of sin”
• “Make atonement for iniquity”
• “Bring in everlasting righteousness”
• “Seal up vision and prophecy”
• “Anoint the most holy place”

 

 

Let’s take a moment to consider the meaning of these six prophecies. The first, “finish the transgression,” refers to the Jew’s rejection of God. The Hebrew word translated “transgression” connotes the idea of rebellion, and the rebellion of the Jewish people is their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Jesus said He would not return until the Jewish people are willing to say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord” (Matthew 23:37-39). The Jews will open their hearts to their Messiah before Daniel’s 490 year period ends.

The period will also witness an “end of sin” for the Jews. The word translated “sin” refers to the sins of daily life — sins of dishonesty and immorality. This end of sin will occur at the time the Jews accept their Messiah and His earthly reign of righteousness begins.

An atonement for Israel’s sins is the third thing that will happen during Daniel’s 70 weeks of years. This atonement occurred, of course, when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross for the sins of the world. But that atonement will not actually be applied to the Jews until they appropriate it by accepting Jesus as their Messiah.

The 490 year period will also “bring in everlasting righteousness.” This undoubtedly refers to the establishment of the Messiah’s earthly reign when the earth will be flooded with peace, righteousness and justice as the waters cover the sea.

The fifth achievement will be the fulfillment of all prophecy concerning the Messiah. The Apostle Peter referred to two types of Messianic prophecy — those related to “the sufferings of Christ” and those concerning “the glories to follow” (1 Peter 1:11). The suffering prophecies were all fulfilled at the Cross. The prophecies concerning “the glories to follow”are yet to be fulfilled. Just as Jesus was humiliated in history, He is going to be glorified in history. This will occur when the Jews accept Him, and He returns to reign over the world from Mt. Zion in Jerusalem.

The final goal to be achieved at the end of the 70 weeks of years is “the anointing of the most holy.” Most English translations say “the most holy place.” The Hebrew simply says, “the most holy.” 

The Starting Point

Daniel says all these spiritual goals will be accomplished within a special period of 490 years. When did that period begin, and when did it end? It is when Daniel addresses these questions that he begins to give clues as to the timing of the First and Second Advents of the Messiah.

The prophecy says that the starting point of the 70 weeks of years will be “the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem” (Daniel 9:25). Keep in mind that this prophecy was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel during the time of Israel’s exile in Babylon. The approximate date was 538 B.C., shortly before the first remnant of Jews were allowed to return to Jerusalem in 536 B.C. under Zerubbabel. Jerusalem was in ruins at this time, having been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar 70 years earlier in 586 B.C. (The captivity had begun in 605 B.C., before the destruction of Jerusalem, when Nebuchadnezzar took Daniel and other “youths” to Babylon as hostages — Daniel 1:1-4.)

The crucial question relates to when the decree was issued “to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.” There are three possible dates:

• 538 B.C. — Cyrus, King of Persia, issued a decree to Zerubbabel to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-3; and Ezra 6:1-5).
• 457 B.C. — Artaxerxes, King of Persia, issued a decree to Ezra authorizing him to reinstitute the Temple services, appoint judges and magistrates, and teach the Law (Ezra 7:11-26).
• 445 B.C. — Artaxerxes issued a decree to Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8).

On the surface, the third decree, the one issued to Nehemiah, seems to be the most obvious candidate for the starting date of the prophecy, for it is the only one that specifically relates to the rebuilding of the city. For that reason, most commentators have selected it as the beginning of the 70 weeks of years.

 

 

DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS REPRESENT THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH (YESHUA)!!

And You have equated the Wonderful Prophecy of the coming MESSIAH to the rule of the ANTICHRIST in Tribulation!!

Just WOW!!

That is almost BLASPHEMOUS!!

 

Calculating Dates

The first person in modern history to calculate the 483 years to the “cutting off” of the Messiah was Sir Robert Anderson in his book, The Coming Prince (1894). Using the decree to Nehemiah issued in 445 B.C. as his starting point, and using what he called “the 360 day prophetic year,” Anderson calculated that it was exactly 173,880 days or 483 lunar years from the day the edict was issued to the day Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem. His calculations placed the crucifixion in the spring of 32 A.D.

 

And there you have it, Daniel prophesied about the Coming of the Messiah (Yeshua), not about the 7 year Tribulation!!

 

These are Seminary notes i have from biblical scholars I personally learned from:

 

Maybe Seminary is something you should clearly entertain, to help you understand prophecy!!

 

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[childoftheking]

A Bible based site that refuses to allow biblical charts...someone out there afraid of the TRUTH?

 

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[childoftheking]

that literally baffles me!!

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