Those Days Will Be Shortened

[childoftheking]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Almost everything you have written has been myth: so far it seems your seminary training has led you astray, not into truth.

 

 

Oddly enough, with everyone either watching or following along, YOU, are the only one calling my posts a myth.

And if my posts are a myth, that means so are about 2 Billion views are a myth.

If that is the case, HOW COME GOD HAS NOT PUT YOU INTO A POSITION TO CORRECT THE MASSES?

 

I am certain I know why God has not done such a thing, but coming from you should be a rather interesting response!!

Edited May 2, 2019 by childoftheking

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, childoftheking said:

OK, I have no issue with that explanation.   But there is already a gap of 100 years from the time Daniel wrote this prophecy, until the 70 weeks began, in order to meet up when the Messiah arrived.   You are now adding a 2,000 year gap from the Messiah to the Tribulation if it began now to fulfill what you believe is a final week in Daniel's prophecy.   that makes a 490 year prophecy needing TWO gaps of 100 years + a gap of 2,000 years and growing.

In my opinion, I think that is more than a stretch in order to make Daniel's 70 weeks to be a part of the Tribulation.   That is a lot of time to fulfill 2 prophecies, when it originally was ONLY about ONE PROPHECY (the coming Messiah). 

I am sorry, Brother, I do not buy it!!

I don't think we can call the time up to the command to rebuild a "gap." That is only waiting for the starting point.  Please explain how you arrive at the 100 years.

Once the 70 weeks have started - does all 70 weeks run contiguously - or is there a gap? I submit that Daniel himself, guided by the Holy Spirit, did insert a gap.  If you disagree, you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Daniel. 

Here is what Daniel wrote will be INSIDE that gap:  "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

It is an absolute fact: the five mentions of the last half of the week, the 3.5 years, PROVES that John is talking about the 70th week - at least in my mind. Consider that Daniel mentioned time, times and half of time TWICE concerning the time of the last half of the week in his book, then John gave us 5 more mentions. 

Do you imagine that those things written in chapters 11 through 13 are history? If so, it would make common sense that previous things then would be history, such as the trumpet judgments and the last two seals. Agreed?

Edited May 2, 2019 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, childoftheking said:

Oddly enough, with everyone either watching or following along, YOU, are the only one calling my posts a myth.

And if my posts are a myth, that means so are about 2 Billion views are a myth.

If that is the case, HOW COME GOD HAS NOT PUT YOU INTO A POSITION TO CORRECT THE MASSES?

I am certain I know why God has not done such a thing, but coming from you should be a rather interesting response!!

You are absolutely right, most of the writers on Christian forums for the end times write myth. They all seem to have some crazy idea to push and won't budge. 

Look: was Paul certain of the knowledge revealed to him? He wrote that we would be JUDGED by His gospel! How did he get it? It was revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. Paul spoke in tongues more them them all, and walked in more revelation knowledge then them all. Praying in the Spirit is a revelation gift: the more one prays in the spirit, the more revelation knowledge they walk in. 

When God has taught me, using the very scriptures written in Revelation, I am certainly not going to go back on what He has said to me! Remember when Peter said, "thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God," Jesus said it was revealed to him.  Suddenly he knew something he did not know before. That is the way revelation knowledge works. 

Let me give you an example: in fact, an example I have already given you: the 1st five verses in chapter 12: Jesus said to me (I heard His voice and His words) that those 5 verses were a "history lesson" for John. Your response was, "No, it could not be." 

It is OK if you disagree with me. But when you disagree with Him, that tells me what you have learned in the Seminaries is in error. I am not surprised, because most of what I read in the commentaries I disagree with. There has been SO MUCH revealed to the Body of Christ since many of those commentaries were written. However, occasionally one will be something I agree with. 

You have said a lot of degrading things about what I write, but so far we have not chosen one passage we dissagree on and go over it. Hopefully we can.

By the way, It is true that God develops specialists.  Some are great evangelists. Others are great Pastors. But some are given the gift of the teacher. 

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, childoftheking said:

READ THESE FIRST 5 VERSES FROM REVELATIONS 12:

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:  2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.  3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.  4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.  5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Now show me where Yeshua claims this is a history lesson?

IN FACT, nowhere in Chapter 12 does Yeshua make this claim you suggest he did!!

I showed you the very words Jesus spoke to me. HE SAID IT. If you disagree, you are disagreeing with Him.  It is not written in Revelation: these are words Jesus spoke to me:

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted, 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” 

He spoke again.

“I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

Now, why would you disagree? It makes perfect sense: these 5 verses are about the birth of the Messiah and how He came from Israel, and how the Dragon tried to kill Him as a young child.  I explained that John was younger than Jesus so these events happened before John was born. In other words, they were HISTORY to John.

I already know you are to attach some other meaning to these verses. All I can say is, you are disagreeing with Jesus. 

Please, keep in mind, preconceived glasses can be very very thick! I would advise, if possible, take them off and mediate on these 5 verses. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, childoftheking said:

My timeline that I was not able to upload, actually proves the Coming Prince was wrong.

That was only mentioned because it was the first attempt at tying it all together.

Send it email: iamlamad at yahoo dot com

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 

 

READ THESE FIRST 5 VERSES FROM REVELATIONS 12:

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

 

Now show me where Yeshua claims this is a history lesson?

 

IN FACT, nowhere in Chapter 12 does Yeshua make this claim you suggest he did!!

History lesson One: Gen 37:9 - Then he had another dream, and he told his brothers, Listen, he said, I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and the eleven stars were bowing down to me.  The twelve stars are the 12 Tribes.

History lesson Two: Matt 1:23, Isa 7:14 - The virgin will be with child, and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel.

History lesson Four:   Ezk 28:17 - So I threw you to the earth, I made a spectacle of you before kings. Matt 217 - and Herod ordered all boys two and under to be killed.

History lesson Five: Gen 22:18 - and through your offspring all the nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.  Psa 2:9 - You will rule them with an iron scepter.  John 16:19 - After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[childoftheking]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I don't think we can call the time up to the command to rebuild a "gap." That is only waiting for the starting point.  Please explain how you arrive at the 100 years.

Once the 70 weeks have started - does all 70 weeks run contiguously - or is there a gap? I submit that Daniel himself, guided by the Holy Spirit, did insert a gap.  If you disagree, you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Daniel. 

Here is what Daniel wrote will be INSIDE that gap:  "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

It is an absolute fact: the five mentions of the last half of the week, the 3.5 years, PROVES that John is talking about the 70th week - at least in my mind. Consider that Daniel mentioned time, times and half of time TWICE concerning the time of the last half of the week in his book, then John gave us 5 more mentions. 

Do you imagine that those things written in chapters 11 through 13 are history? If so, it would make common sense that previous things then would be history, such as the trumpet judgments and the last two seals. Agreed?

 

Daniel provides clues to when he was writing these visions down.  He mentions 2 specific kings and the year of their reign.   All we have to do is look up the history of these kings and it gives us specifically the year Daniel is writing.   Therefore, we know the year was around 600 B.C.  Then assuming between the years of 2 B.C. and 2 A.D, we can place the birth of Yeshua.   This makes 600 years from time Daniel wrote these visions down until they were fulfilled.  With understanding his 70 weeks represents 490 years, and the time Daniel wrote down his visions until they were fulfilled was 600 years, that leaves a rough 100 years.   And that 100 years, falls from the time Daniel wrote down his visions until the order to rebuild Jerusalem took place.

[childoftheking]

8 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

History lesson One: Gen 37:9 - Then he had another dream, and he told his brothers, Listen, he said, I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and the eleven stars were bowing down to me.  The twelve stars are the 12 Tribes.

History lesson Two: Matt 1:23, Isa 7:14 - The virgin will be with child, and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel.

History lesson Four:   Ezk 28:17 - So I threw you to the earth, I made a spectacle of you before kings. Matt 217 - and Herod ordered all boys two and under to be killed.

History lesson Five: Gen 22:18 - and through your offspring all the nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.  Psa 2:9 - You will rule them with an iron scepter.  John 16:19 - After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Amen!!

 

I have mentioned this myself, but it was ignored lol

 

The poster I have been communicating to believes that yeshua chose to add Revelations Chapter 12 in a Prophetic Book for the purpose of teaching John a history lesson. 

 

My stance was that John already knew the history, and that Chapter 12 might reflect the past, but now it is representing what is still to come.

[childoftheking]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

You are absolutely right, most of the writers on Christian forums for the end times write myth. They all seem to have some crazy idea to push and won't budge. 

Look: was Paul certain of the knowledge revealed to him? He wrote that we would be JUDGED by His gospel! How did he get it? It was revealed to him by the Holy Spirit. Paul spoke in tongues more them them all, and walked in more revelation knowledge then them all. Praying in the Spirit is a revelation gift: the more one prays in the spirit, the more revelation knowledge they walk in. 

When God has taught me, using the very scriptures written in Revelation, I am certainly not going to go back on what He has said to me! Remember when Peter said, "thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God," Jesus said it was revealed to him.  Suddenly he knew something he did not know before. That is the way revelation knowledge works. 

Let me give you an example: in fact, an example I have already given you: the 1st five verses in chapter 12: Jesus said to me (I heard His voice and His words) that those 5 verses were a "history lesson" for John. Your response was, "No, it could not be." 

It is OK if you disagree with me. But when you disagree with Him, that tells me what you have learned in the Seminaries is in error. I am not surprised, because most of what I read in the commentaries I disagree with. There has been SO MUCH revealed to the Body of Christ since many of those commentaries were written. However, occasionally one will be something I agree with. 

You have said a lot of degrading things about what I write, but so far we have not chosen one passage we dissagree on and go over it. Hopefully we can.

By the way, It is true that God develops specialists.  Some are great evangelists. Others are great Pastors. But some are given the gift of the teacher. 

 

Interesting, so basically ONLY YOUR views are correct...   This is what baffles me.   If you were the one holding the Truths, God would enable you to be on a platform where thousands could learn at a time.   We are in the age of great technology concerning radio and television.   If you hold the Truths, God would ensure that your message was being heard.   My question then, since we know God does keep anything hidden, "How come you are not on radio and television spreading the TRUTH?"

Edited May 2, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I showed you the very words Jesus spoke to me. HE SAID IT. If you disagree, you are disagreeing with Him.  It is not written in Revelation: these are words Jesus spoke to me:

“Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns.”

So I counted, 32 times. I replied, “I see that this chapter is about the dragon. I counted 32 times.” 

He spoke again.

“I also chose to show John how the dragon attempted to kill me as a child. Those first five verses were a ‘history lesson’ for John.”

Now, why would you disagree? It makes perfect sense: these 5 verses are about the birth of the Messiah and how He came from Israel, and how the Dragon tried to kill Him as a young child.  I explained that John was younger than Jesus so these events happened before John was born. In other words, they were HISTORY to John.

I already know you are to attach some other meaning to these verses. All I can say is, you are disagreeing with Jesus. 

Please, keep in mind, preconceived glasses can be very very thick! I would advise, if possible, take them off and mediate on these 5 verses. 

 

OK, I missed this part!!

 

No wonder I could not find what you were saying in the Bible!!

 

Well, I don't know how to debate this then.   We have God's Word via the Holy Bible, and now we have what you claim God has instructed you concerning the Holy Bible.

 

This is what I will then say...

What I and others have been posting, can be found in scripture.   And we have provided actual scripture to verify as such.   But what you are claiming, I cannot verify through scripture.   So that leaves me at a crossroad.   Because, the fact I cannot verify what you claim by scripture, means i have to ignore scripture to accept what you are claiming.   And honestly, you need to see from my viewpoint, to ignore God based upon what you claim, is ignoring God!!   That to me, just does not add up to something I feel comfortable with.

 

I myself have heard from God, but it always aligned perfectly with the Word of God.   What you claim DOES NOT align up, only in your version of it does it align.   So you must understand, if I listen to you and it was not actually God speaking to you, then I am following a false prophet............

 

And personally, I am treading lightly here.   And I mean you no disrespect.   But I have to ignore God's WORD in order to accept yours.   That does not seem to be the common sense and logical thing to do!!

Edited May 2, 2019 by childoftheking