enoob57 Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,180 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,457 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 26, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 12:21 AM, KiwiChristian said: At creation, all things were created with the appearance of age. Radioactive minerals would be partially decayed on the first day. How far decayed? This is error … decay did not begin till God cursed this creation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Hi Still Alive, 3 hours ago, Still Alive said: When you look at contemporaneous writings from the time it is a common literary style. Look at the common style in business. Cheating seems to be a part of it. When God does business, will he cheat as well, in your opinion? Even if 99% of all professional writers at that age exaggerated in numbers - God di not. You cannot extrapolate from human writers to God. 3 hours ago, Still Alive said: Yes, God performs miracles. Yes, that's what it is. Don't let the doubts touch you. No, I don't know your book, I prefer the Bible. 3 hours ago, Still Alive said: I simply disagree with that [that "10" means 10 and "1000" means thousand], and offered the link as one example of an explanation. Here is more: http://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/2016/06/large-numbers-old-testament/ And more: https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/40/40-3/40-3-pp377-387_JETS.pdf And this "ramifications" paragraph from the last link gets to the core of the issue and also touches on why having a fully "literalist" perspective on the bible can get one in trouble (hence my rooster sig): "One must wonder what implications the results of this study could have on OT scholarship, particularly in the area of conquest models. As has been noted earlier, the large numbers have often been a stumbling block for accepting the Biblical accounts as legitimate records of history. If the numbers are simply reflective of a rhetorical device common in ancient Near Eastern literature, however, one may no longer question the integrity of the record by use of this argument. The large numbers are often simply figures of speech employed to magnify King Yahweh, King David, or others in a theologically based historiographical narrative." Since they disagree with the numbers as used in the Bible, I won't even look at your sources. The nice German company Volkswagen used also a very common device in emission tests. Nevertheless, the US made them pay billions of dollars. God does not write like Volkswagen does. "figure of speech" - and we need the wise and well-educated to decide for us which numbers should be taken literally and which ones should be seen as a figure of speech ... no thank you. I won't agree with you on numbers, even if this discussion goes on. We can come to a close here? Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, thomas t said: Hi Still Alive, Look at the common style in business. Cheating seems to be a part of it. When God does business, will he cheat as well, in your opinion? Even if 99% of all professional writers at that age exaggerated in numbers - God di not. You cannot extrapolate from human writers to God. All the writers of the books of the bible were human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, thomas t said: "figure of speech" - and we need the wise and well-educated to decide for us which numbers should be taken literally and which ones should be seen as a figure of speech ... no thank you. I won't agree with you on numbers, even if this discussion goes on. We can come to a close here? Thomas I don't think you read my links. And yes, we can come to a close. Thanks for the discussion! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,117 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 hours ago, enoob57 said: This is error … decay did not begin till God cursed this creation... that's interesting.... I don't think I ever gave that a thought.... Hummmmmmm so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,117 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 11 hours ago, thomas t said: Actually, Michael Heiser doubts that an almighty God would have been poweful enough to feed 2 m Israelites in the desert. I've read several of his Books and heard him speak on several internet sites and I've never heard him question the power of God to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, thomas t said: Hazard please, there is no scriptural proof. You have already written your "scriptural proof" in this post here, I see no reason to reiterate yourself, I answered it here. Please lets avoid going round in circles for reasons of time, thank you. Thomas Have you checked EVERY SCRIPTURE provided and compared them? Edited July 26, 2019 by HAZARD spell error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted July 27, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2019 23 hours ago, Still Alive said: When the bible says that "the heavens were opened", it may mean that for the first time in human history, the clouds broke and we could see the stars, sun and moon. But the sun and moon were set in place for signs to man of seasons and feasts. It would be difficult to observe the Sabbath or New Moon (month) without being able to see these ordained signs until the flood. The only new "sign" in the skies after the flood was the Rainbow. Nothing is mentioned pertaining to the sun, moon and stars being viewable. Also, keep in mind that the water came from beneath the Earth as well. "The fountains of the great deep were broken". This would have easily lead to an extinction level event. Details can be sourced here If the vapour canopy IS to be believed (and I think there is merit to it), Earth's inhabitants would have still been able to see the luminaries for signs and seasons and, unfortunately, misplaced worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted July 27, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted July 27, 2019 18 hours ago, HAZARD said: Have you checked EVERY SCRIPTURE provided and compared them? no I haven't. I checked the first three Bible verses you gave and found out that none of them could back up any claim. After that, I found it wouldn't be promising to go check the rest of what you've said. I've explained to you in more detail here, already. I don't have unlimited time. Regards, Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted July 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2019 5 hours ago, thomas t said: no I haven't. I checked the first three Bible verses you gave and found out that none of them could back up any claim. After that, I found it wouldn't be promising to go check the rest of what you've said. I've explained to you in more detail here, already. I don't have unlimited time. Regards, Thomas The Bible has more than two or three pages. We are told by Jesus to search the Scriptures and you can't even be bothered to check and compare the many dozens of Scriptures I have provided, when read with an open and honest heart proves there were two great floods on the earth? Do you have time to read the bible at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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