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1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And we know it means what It says .    SO many scholars always want to allegoricalize things they don't believe . But we believe , don't we sister . WE believe as it says

that saints actually did arise from the dead and people saw it too.    Just as we know OUR LORD ROSE from the grave too.  even that has been under attack

by these world wise scholars .      Its as I love to say ,  we believe as tiny children all the words in that bible .  As a child .    just believes .   You put those hands up sister .

Sure the wise will mock us , But we got Christ and we BELIEVE .    OH what a joyous song this is to sing , let us all praise the King . 

Hope that you do not perceived it that you are under attact, you or the bible, because you are not...

This passage has been used by many who support "soul sleeping". 

Pointing to this passage as a mirror of Mathews undertanding, even for that period of time...

From your post I see that you understand that "saints did arise from the dead", and "we know that our Lord did arose from the "grave" too. 

From the bible we learn that the place of the dead is Sheol...at the time of their dead the dead minus the body, who has been bless by God to return to Earth from where it came from. 

At the time of their death everyone was descended to Sheol...

Abraham also he went not upstream but down stream...

And that's where his offspringsng gather to him, where Abraham was they went. 

Jesus destroyed the power of the Grave, and this has nothing to do with the meaning of a marked grave, the place where we bury someone. This has to do for the power of the Grave to received and keep every human BEFORE JESUS CHRIST.

Since the time JESUS CHRIST SAT ON THE THRONE and he became the Judge of all, which that means "the Grave", or the Devil, or Death do not take every human who dies "BY DEFAULT". 

Jesus Christ decides about everyone where they go...

He has the Keys of "Hades and Death", that's it is after he became the Judge of all. 

This Judgements we do not have in the old, 

Because Jesus Christ judged everyone from the bigining of the world...and forevermore.

When we die Jesus decides where we go...

We believe in him strait to Heaven, the Redeemed. 

We do not go to Sheol, we are not prisoners of the Human inheritance, waiting for the Christ to come to Sheol, or Hades and Free us. This is no more, JESUS CHRIST has destroyed this Default human inheritance....

It's finish, the new has come.

We have a Heavenly Inheritance with him, in Heavens....and not only us but everyone who believed in the Gospel of Jesus CHRIST, when after his death he went to the place of the dead and preach the Gospel to all. 

Those who believed they had a new Heavenly Inheritance, do you have any reason to assumed that they stiil are there, ....

When they have a place to go..

And the Devil does not have a right to keep them...

Are suggesting that they like it there and voluntarily have decided to stay there. 

Hope not....

Sometimes we are  prisoners of our own visions,  as long as we live in this body. If we can say that, but we do not live as prisoners to Sin, we decided not to, and we know that we are free from the condemnation of sin, in Jesus Christ, sin accuses, Jesus Christ Justifies...and gives his righteousness and his life to us, we have his robe of righteousness, and of course we have our own robe of righteousness and not only ours but also the robe of Jesus Christ righteousness, we believe.. 

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