Struggling w/Book of Hebrews

[nebula]

The writer of Hebrews is talking about those who KNOW the truth but have chosen willfully to take the precious work of redemption and treat it as rubbish, and something to be trampled underfoot.

[Gerioke]

It's funny how everybody can come up with different scripture for the same problem

[Tishri 1]

This work is His, for by Himself he will purge our sins, by the work of the Holy Spirit, they shall be cleansed out of our nature, out of our hearts, and out of our lives.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge you from dead works to serve the living God?

Heb 10:1-2"...no more conscience of sins." We know that this has yet to occur for we are all still very conscience of our sins and sinfulness.

 

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That makes me think of how we have two seasons each year to examine our hearts and ask for forgiveness,and deliverance and to repent to other's as well...each being at least 40 days long...those times are really special to me and sometimes I only need a day to look inside...other times it takes all 40 days for the Father to get me to see what I seem to be holding onto...but He is faithful to turn me completely back to him if I but turn alittle toward Him. I love those times of Teshuvah (repentance)

Edited June 4, 2005 by Tishri 1

[Catsmeow]

Cats, you need to allow the context of the passage to help you understand.

[visionary]

That is where Yeshua comes in and works in your life, when you let go and realise that you can do nothing without Him. If you think about all the times of fallig down into sin, it was when you were doing things yourself, in your own strength, and not in instant in prayerfully consideration of God.

Do not be disheartened as it is the fight we all must go through spiritually to truly understand our utter dependence upon Him.

[Catsmeow]

This work is His, for by Himself he will purge our sins, by the work of the Holy Spirit, they shall be cleansed out of our nature, out of our hearts, and out of our lives.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge you from dead works to serve the living God?

Heb 10:1-2"...no more conscience of sins." We know that this has yet to occur for we are all still very conscience of our sins and sinfulness.

[Pilgrim7]

I understand your stuggle with sin. It shows that your are sincere in wanting to give up sin. There are too many who just presume on God's forgiveness. Yet God's way of overcoming sin is not 'trying not to sin', but abiding with Christ because without Him abiding within, it is impossible to give up sin because we are sin. The Scriptures says and I have found it to be true that the only way to give up sin is to abide with Christ. This is a positive action and while doing this you will not sin. It really works and is the essence of true faith that works. When you abide in Jesus, you cannot sin for Jesus will not be a party to sin. Now you can chose not to abide with Jesus and you will sin. But the sin will be the result of not abiding in Jesus. When your will is in His hands, He will warn you when tempted and as you will to do His good pleasure, he will keep you from sin. This is the work of the Spirit of God, but it requires your participation.

1JOHN 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not

seen him, neither known him. 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the

beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (This is true and is meant to wake us up to the danger of sin. Unforsaken sin will put us in the lake of fire.) 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (This is good news and not just condemnation. The essence is to remain with the seed, Jesus. Thus we have John 15 about abiding with Jesus the seed. Jesus is the seed who comes into the heart. Yet man has a part to do in abiding with Jesus. If Jesus abides in you, you will overcome sin. Yes there is still forgiveness for sin commited when we fail to abide, but we are to grow up into Christ and overcome sin.)

JOHN 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 15:3 Now ye are clean (forgiven) through the word which I have spoken unto you. 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye

will, and it shall be done unto you (victory over sin). 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father

[Catsmeow]

"Abide" is a bible term but I would much prefer if someone would translate that word into something we would say in modern terms.

If abiding means "living" inside us...then I'm fine. Still, it doesn't matter because I haven't reached perfection.

I might have made great progress since I met the Lord but I am still a far cry from perfection. I may live a wholesome life but I commit sins of omission.

I may not commit the crimes of the century but do I call my grandmother up to wish her well as often as I should? Do I tithe as much as GOD would want me to or do I just give the meager 10 percent? Am I being lukewarm in my attitude?

Do I spend too much time in front of the television? Am I selfish in my attitude?

The LONGER I live, the more I am aware of my shortcomings and why Jesus is Lord and I'm not! (LOL!)

I've got a long, long way to go on this journey.

[Christ's Free Servant]

"Abide" is a bible term but I would much prefer if someone would translate that word into something we would say in modern terms.

If abiding means "living" inside us...then I'm fine. Still, it doesn't matter because I haven't reached perfection.

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Cats,

Notice that the scriptures tell us to abide in him and he in us. It is a two-way relationship. To abide with someone means to do more than just live in the same house. It means fellowship. It means talking with the person, hanging out with him, spending time with him, showing interest in what he likes and doing what he likes to do. It is like when you are dating someone and you want to be with that person more than ever and you stay up late talking with him on the phone and you wake up thinking about him and all you want to do is please that person. That is what "abide" means to me.

[Sanctyfied]

Abide definition of the Hebrew word

lûn lı̂yn


loon, leen


A primitive root; to stop (usually over night); by implication to stay permanently; hence (in a bad sense) to be obstinate (especially in words, to complain):—abide (all night), continue, dwell, endure, grudge, be left, lie all night, (cause to) lodge (all night, in, -ing, this night), (make to) murmur, remain, tarry (all night, that night).


Abide definiton of the Greek word.

menō


men'-o


A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy):—abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.

hope that helps alittle