The Great Apostasy When?

[Daniel Marsh]

17 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This is THE GREAT APOSTACY .     And as for WHEN .  ITS happening now .     Right now and getting worse .

This all inclusive Pc secular and religion unification .    IT is the great falling away .     And folks need to be warned .   

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Before Christ’s coming there will be certain signs

2 1-4 Now we do implore you, by the very certainty of Christ’s coming and of our meeting him together, to keep your heads and not be thrown off balance by any prediction or message or letter purporting to come from us, and saying that the day of Christ is almost here. Don’t let anyone deceive you by any means whatsoever. That day will not come before there arises a definite rejection of God and the appearance of the lawless man. He is the product of all that leads to death, and he sets himself up in opposition to every religion. He himself takes his seat in the temple of God, to show that he really claims to be God.

5-12 I expect you remember now how I talked about this when I was with you. You will probably also remember how I used to talk about a “restraining power” which would operate until the time should come for the emergence of this man. Evil is already insidiously at work but its activities are restricted until what I have called the “restraining power” (of God) is removed. When that happens the lawless man will be plainly seen—though the truth of the Lord Jesus spells his doom, and the radiance of the coming of the Lord Jesus will be his utter destruction. The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow.

 

• Exactly how does the above fit your claims?   Who among them is armed with all  the forces of earth? 

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Revelation 13 Good News Translation (GNT)
The Two Beasts

13 Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads; on each of its horns there was a crown, and on each of its heads there was a name that was insulting to God. 2 The beast looked like a leopard, with feet like a bear's feet and a mouth like a lion's mouth. The dragon gave the beast his own power, his throne, and his vast authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast. 4 Everyone worshiped the dragon because he had given his authority to the beast. They worshiped the beast also, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who can fight against it?”

5 The beast was allowed to make proud claims which were insulting to God, and it was permitted to have authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to curse God, his name, the place where he lives, and all those who live in heaven. 7 It was allowed to fight against God's people and to defeat them, and it was given authority over every tribe, nation, language, and race. 8 All people living on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to the Lamb that was killed.

9 “Listen, then, if you have ears! 10 Whoever is meant to be captured will surely be captured; whoever is meant to be killed by the sword will surely be killed by the sword. This calls for endurance and faith on the part of God's people.”

11 Then I saw another beast, which came up out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb's horns, and it spoke like a dragon. 12 It used the vast authority of the first beast in its presence. It forced the earth and all who live on it to worship the first beast, whose wound had healed. 13 This second beast performed great miracles; it made fire come down out of heaven to earth in the sight of everyone. 14 And it deceived all the people living on earth by means of the miracles which it was allowed to perform in the presence of the first beast. The beast told them to build an image in honor of the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was allowed to breathe life into the image of the first beast, so that the image could talk and put to death all those who would not worship it. 16 The beast forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, slave and free, to have a mark placed on their right hands or on their foreheads. 17 No one could buy or sell without this mark, that is, the beast's name or the number that stands for the name.

 

Is there only one leader over the whole planet today?

In Short, the NT has not been destroyed.   The whole world is not worshiping the beast.  There is not a one world government. 

When these things happen, Jesus will return to destroy the beast, Anti Christ after 42 months.   There is not an universal mark on peoples hand or head for shopping.  

Many Religions still exist today,  when the Great Apostasy happens there will be only one false religion.  And Christians who are being killed by the beast.  

Can you think of any other conditions that will be when the Anti Christ is temporary in control?

Can you think of any other conditions that will be when the Anti Christ is temporary in control for 42 months?

Have they existed for more than  42 months?

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[Daniel Marsh]

 from the Didache, we have this,

Chapter 16. Watchfulness; the Coming of the Lord. Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord will come. But come together often, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; for when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another, and then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and shall perish; but those who endure in their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of the truth: first, the sign of an outspreading in heaven, then the sign of the sound of the trumpet. And third, the resurrection of the dead -- yet not of all, but as it is said: "The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him." Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

There is some confusion in this discussion.    One needs to distinguish between The Anti Christ which relates to the Great or Final Apostasy,  spirit of antichrist that John wrote about and Antichrists.  

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

John was dealing with Gnosticism which denies that the flesh exists.   Today, Christian Science falls into this mold. 

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Gnostics redefine the meaning of Christ as being a idea and Jesus as just another human being no better or worse than you and me.   They claim that he realized the christ idea. 

I am not sure if the following verse applies at all,  

Ephesians 2:2

wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;

 

 

 

 

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Before Christ’s coming there will be certain signs

2 1-4 Now we do implore you, by the very certainty of Christ’s coming and of our meeting him together, to keep your heads and not be thrown off balance by any prediction or message or letter purporting to come from us, and saying that the day of Christ is almost here. Don’t let anyone deceive you by any means whatsoever. That day will not come before there arises a definite rejection of God and the appearance of the lawless man. He is the product of all that leads to death, and he sets himself up in opposition to every religion. He himself takes his seat in the temple of God, to show that he really claims to be God.

5-12 I expect you remember now how I talked about this when I was with you. You will probably also remember how I used to talk about a “restraining power” which would operate until the time should come for the emergence of this man. Evil is already insidiously at work but its activities are restricted until what I have called the “restraining power” (of God) is removed. When that happens the lawless man will be plainly seen—though the truth of the Lord Jesus spells his doom, and the radiance of the coming of the Lord Jesus will be his utter destruction. The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow.

 

• Exactly how does the above fit your claims?   Who among them is armed with all  the forces of earth? 

 

Its leading to this .     The whole of the religions will merge as one and so will the world ,  they will see humanity above all gods even .

The all inclusive is all about unity for world peace .    WHO you think they gonna sit under .    WHEN all religions will believe God is the God of all religions and humanity .

When nebb made his image .   He did not end all religions ,  folks could worship they own god , ITS JUST they had to as one worship his .

Same mindset is behind this .    Oh you can have your religion  , BUT PUT HUMNITY FIRST and don't make fundamental claims as your God is the ONLY GOD .

Get along , in fact groups are already believing the God of the muslim , of the hindu ,  you name it ,   of the christains etc ,  is the one same GOD .  WHAT A LIE ,

but you watch and see if they don't all come to this conclusion .   Cant be stopped .  HE will exalt himself above all gods ,  EVEN THE GOD .

THE SPIRIT of the CHRIST called ANTI ,  is all over ROME , rick warren , Kenneth copland the beth moores and td jakes , the emgergents .

ITS JUST all over them now .   WANNA know how it reaches the lukewarm Christian .    See it has a way to reach any group , from atheist , to wican ,

to so called and do I mean so called christain , to muslims , to jews ,   IT has a way of reaching them and will unite them to come together for unity .

Wanna know some of its code words to be on guard against .   BRDIGE BUILDERS .  BREAKING DOWN BARRIERS ,  FINDING COMMON GROUND

What is the matter ,    HEARD these have ya .  THEY ALLL OVER OUR CHURCHES .  You know it and I know it .    SO this man gonna expose them all .

Cause they all will be led to the beast who is to rise and they all will take its mark for peace and safety .   No man will be able to buy or sell  lest they take it .

What ................I bet you have been paying attention to where RFID chip is headed .  SO ,  lets steer clear of these folks who preach this stuff .

 

[Daniel Marsh]

18 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

The whole of the religions will merge as one and so will the world , 

Me:  The texts does not say they will all merge into one world religion.   It says The AntiChrist will oppose all religions.

hey will see humanity above all gods even .

Me:  The texts does not says that.   The texts says the AntiChrist will exalt himself above all gods or above God himself.

You have not accounted for what those texts say.  Nor, have you demonstrated how they fit your claims.   

You are ignoring contexts. 

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said:

 

THIS is exactly what is going on .   the religions are putting humanity above their own way.     They are being led to this very thing .

Muslims are doing it now ,  jews , christains ,  they setting aside their god first and finding common ground and unity . 

Course they all false so no surprise here .     No true Christian would ever join this all inclusive lie from rome and our own churches .  NONE would .

Hope we can at least agree on that . 

[Daniel Marsh]

25 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

THIS is exactly what is going on .   the religions are putting humanity above their own way.     They are being led to this very thing .

Muslims are doing it now ,  jews , christains ,  they setting aside their god first and finding common ground and unity . 

Course they all false so no surprise here .     No true Christian would ever join this all inclusive lie from rome and our own churches .  NONE would .

Hope we can at least agree on that . 

If you are speaking of antichirsts plural, you are right.  

But, that is not the Antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Before Christ’s coming there will be certain signs

2 1-4 Now we do implore you, by the very certainty of Christ’s coming and of our meeting him together, to keep your heads and not be thrown off balance by any prediction or message or letter purporting to come from us, and saying that the day of Christ is almost here. Don’t let anyone deceive you by any means whatsoever. That day will not come before there arises a definite rejection of God and the appearance of the lawless man. He is the product of all that leads to death, and he sets himself up in opposition to every religion. He himself takes his seat in the temple of God, to show that he really claims to be God.

5-12 I expect you remember now how I talked about this when I was with you. You will probably also remember how I used to talk about a “restraining power” which would operate until the time should come for the emergence of this man. Evil is already insidiously at work but its activities are restricted until what I have called the “restraining power” (of God) is removed. When that happens the lawless man will be plainly seen—though the truth of the Lord Jesus spells his doom, and the radiance of the coming of the Lord Jesus will be his utter destruction. The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Daniel Marsh said:

If you are speaking of antichirsts plural, you are right.  

But, that is not the Antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Before Christ’s coming there will be certain signs

2 1-4 Now we do implore you, by the very certainty of Christ’s coming and of our meeting him together, to keep your heads and not be thrown off balance by any prediction or message or letter purporting to come from us, and saying that the day of Christ is almost here. Don’t let anyone deceive you by any means whatsoever. That day will not come before there arises a definite rejection of God and the appearance of the lawless man. He is the product of all that leads to death, and he sets himself up in opposition to every religion. He himself takes his seat in the temple of God, to show that he really claims to be God.

5-12 I expect you remember now how I talked about this when I was with you. You will probably also remember how I used to talk about a “restraining power” which would operate until the time should come for the emergence of this man. Evil is already insidiously at work but its activities are restricted until what I have called the “restraining power” (of God) is removed. When that happens the lawless man will be plainly seen—though the truth of the Lord Jesus spells his doom, and the radiance of the coming of the Lord Jesus will be his utter destruction. The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow

 

Yes .   even now there are many anti christs .      The spirit of anti Christ has long been around .    And now its working fast amongst its children

to bring them into unity under humanity and lead them RIGHT to this coming SON of perdtion .

Even now its in the world and the world is being made ready to follow it when once it arises .

As john the Baptist came preaching repentance to make the children ready for Christ

This dark spirit comes preaching ACCEPTANCE to make the children ready for ANTI CHRIST .

And it will come and much sooner than folks realize .    

[frienduff thaylorde]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Marsh said:

If you are speaking of antichirsts plural, you are right.  

But, that is not the Antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Before Christ’s coming there will be certain signs

2 1-4 Now we do implore you, by the very certainty of Christ’s coming and of our meeting him together, to keep your heads and not be thrown off balance by any prediction or message or letter purporting to come from us, and saying that the day of Christ is almost here. Don’t let anyone deceive you by any means whatsoever. That day will not come before there arises a definite rejection of God and the appearance of the lawless man. He is the product of all that leads to death, and he sets himself up in opposition to every religion. He himself takes his seat in the temple of God, to show that he really claims to be God.

5-12 I expect you remember now how I talked about this when I was with you. You will probably also remember how I used to talk about a “restraining power” which would operate until the time should come for the emergence of this man. Evil is already insidiously at work but its activities are restricted until what I have called the “restraining power” (of God) is removed. When that happens the lawless man will be plainly seen—though the truth of the Lord Jesus spells his doom, and the radiance of the coming of the Lord Jesus will be his utter destruction. The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow

 

Just remember ,  In this world we will have tribulation .    Many true and faithful saints will die in the days ahead .

As they have in all ages , ONLY THIS will be a monster quick world wide as one attack against the true saints .   MANY will be killed .

Our titles by the world will not be Christian .  NO the lukewarm and other relgions will just see us as hATERS of humanity .  NOW the real reason IS WE are TRUE Christians ,

but heck  I have been called spawn of satan , son of perdtion , anti Christ and mind you ,  It was so called christains that called me these names .

We got dire problems IN DA HOUSE .    Dire ones .