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3 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

Yes he did.  He also created them for a purpose, just like the Apostle Paul, who was a chosen vessel.

It reminds me of when Jesus told people their sins were forgiven. People then said Jesus had the power to forgive sins. Since I believe Jesus was God in flesh, I can't argue with that. However, seeing Jesus as the Son of God, I would say Jesus simply knew that his Father in heaven had forgiven them for their sins.

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When I studied this question, I came away  with the  understanding that our  free will is so complete, He simply will not violate it.  And will not allow satan to.  To make a short cut to the end of a

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Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: f

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@mlbrokish Hi; this is a question many people have pondered over the years. Each, to a degree has found what answers their hearts. I wish all of Christ to you, as you search into these truths. 

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1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

It reminds me of when Jesus told people their sins were forgiven. People then said Jesus had the power to forgive sins. Since I believe Jesus was God in flesh, I can't argue with that. However, seeing Jesus as the Son of God, I would say Jesus simply knew that his Father in heaven had forgiven them for their sins.

Jesus said he had the power to forgive sins.  He said that so everyone would know that, he also physically healed the man.  I believe Jesus did forgive his sins.

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Jesus said he had the power to forgive sins.  He said that so everyone would know that, he also physically healed the man.  I believe Jesus did forgive his sins.

Back in Genesis, the Lord said a husband would rule over his wife (Gen 3:16) as the result of Adam and Eve's sin. I suspect many interpret that as the Lord's wish that a husband should rule over his wife. I think, instead, he simply was predicting one of the consequences of the sin.

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33 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Jesus knew what was going to happen.

I am a novice at interpreting scripture, but what confuses me is that I believe God has a plan, so if we choose (by our own free will) to take a path that is not part of His plan, does God "re-route" us to get back to His predetermined path?

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Just now, mlbrokish said:

I am a novice at interpreting scripture, but what confuses me is that I believe God has a plan, so if we choose (by our own free will) to take a path that is not part of His plan, does God "re-route" us to get back to His predetermined path?

I imagine he will try to do that, or to the next best thing.

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2 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I imagine he will try to do that, or to the next best thing.

Then I wonder if it is truly 100% our choosing?? or  is there something more that I am not understanding?

I only question it because I really want to learn from others' interpretations.

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20 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Back in Genesis, the Lord said a husband would rule over his wife (Gen 3:16) as the result of Adam and Eve's sin. I suspect many interpret that as the Lord's wish that a husband should rule over his wife. I think, instead, he simply was predicting one of the consequences of the sin.

It is God's will.  Woman was created to be a helpmeet to a man.  That is why God said he created woman.  It was always God's will, but before the fall, there was no strife.  The curse brought the division and strife that required God to say that the man was to rule over his wife.

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Then I wonder if it is truly 100% our choosing?? or  is there something more that I am not understanding?

I only question it because I really want to learn from others' interpretations.

mlb

There is too much in the Bible that shows God saying things will happen and they do for me to believe we have absolute free will.  From our perspective, we make decisions, but God created us knowing all we would ever do.

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12 minutes ago, mlbrokish said:

Then I wonder if it is truly 100% our choosing?? or  is there something more that I am not understanding?

I only question it because I really want to learn from others' interpretations.

mlb

Also remember that God has a plan in Revelation.  If we had absolute free will, we would have the power to stop it.

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3 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

Also remember that God has a plan in Revelation.  If we had absolute free will, we would have the power to stop it.

Thank you! You just gave me my next goal - to read more into the book of Revelation.  I have read passages hear and there, but only a couple. Now you have peaked my interest to read more in depth. 

Glory to God!

with much appreciation,

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