Steward George Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,781 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,482 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted June 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Pekoudah said: We are indeed to work out our salvation...to the very end of our lives...with fear and trembling. Just so you know ... Php 2:12 Wherefore,G5620 myG3450 beloved,G27 asG2531 ye have alwaysG3842 obeyed,G5219 notG3361 asG5613 inG1722 myG3450 presenceG3952 only,G3440 butG235 nowG3568 muchG4183 moreG3123 inG1722 myG3450 absence,G666 work outG2716 your ownG1438 salvationG4991 withG3326 fearG5401 andG2532 trembling.G5156 G4991 σωτηρία sōtēria Thayer Definition: 1) deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation 1a) deliverance from the molestation of enemies This passage could easily be understood ... work out your deliverance from the enemy that wants to molest you! work out your deliverance from the enemy ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,781 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,482 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 5:53 AM, Pekoudah said: The fear of the Lord remains the main criteria for a basic salvation. Actually, repentance and belief is the main criteria for salvation. Mar 1:14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, Mar 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” God bless, George 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekoudah Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 624 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/04/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, George said: Actually, repentance and belief is the main criteria for salvation. Mar 1:14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, Mar 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” God bless, George Hi. I see the fear of the Lord covering both belief and repentance. One cannot fear someone they don't believe in. And if someone truly fears the Lord...repentance is likely to follow. I am looking at this from a bible-wide perspective. Trying to avoid a formulaic bias that would seem to negate other parts of the bible. Look at the wise virgins. Were they not accepted whereas the foolish ones rejected? And compare that with Proverbs and the benefits of wisdom that are stressed there. It is the fear of God that keeps us from evil so often. What I see in the modern church is a tendency towards assurance of salvation but in a way that negates the fear of the Lord. So by putting the fear of the Lord back into the right perspective the truth is brought back into more of a semblance of balance. God is love. But He is also fearsome and His judgments are very different to ours. So we can only look to Him for what is right and what is sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekoudah Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 624 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/04/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Here is the simple Gospel that saves us.....Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead....add anything to that for salvation and you are “ severed from Christ” and “ fallen from Grace”. Preach that false Gospel and you are “ accursed”- damned by God.Its always JESUS PLUS NOTHING.Any pathetic attempt to share in what Christ did FOR us on the Cross for our Salvation is just that—- pathetic. Jesus did everything necessary for the salvation of the whole world. That was from God..His part that shows His commitment to helping us fulfill His will. God's grace is sufficient now...if you believe God is able to do anything, to conquer sin through a life He is wanting to live through us. We are not saved by just a human belief in what God did for us all. We are saved by entering into the grace that God is offering us. How do we know we have received of His grace? Holiness is the evidence of His presence. We are to seek to enter into Christ so that His holiness shines forth as a light to the world through us. That is the result of faith in the gospel...the POWER of the gospel. The gospel is not just in words...but in power from heaven to walk as Jesus walked. Edited June 28, 2019 by Pekoudah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekoudah Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 624 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/04/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Pekoudah said: Jesus did everything necessary for the salvation of the whole world. That was from God..His part that shows His commitment to helping us fulfill His will. God's grace is sufficient now, if you believe God is able to do anything, to conquer sin through a life He is wanting to live through us. We are not saved by just a human belief in what God did for us all. We are saved by entering into the grace that God is offering to us. How do we know we have received of His grace? Holiness is the evidence of His presence. We are to seek to enter into Christ so that His holiness, His life, His love, shines forth as a light to the world as it is manifested through us. That is the result of faith in the gospel...the POWER of the gospel. The gospel is not just in words...but in power from heaven to walk as Jesus walked. And just to add....nobody is saved in a vacuum. We are ALWAYS doing works...whether they be works of the flesh or the Spirit. It is really just one or the other. So there is no such thing as "Jesus plus nothing." It is either Jesus plus the works of the flesh....to an eternal loss. Or else Jesus plus the life in the Spirit which leads to eternal rewards. And we are not saved to do our own thing. That would mean we would be saved IN our sins rather than away from them. Salvation is not meant to serve us and our desires...but to serve God and His will. So in many ways mankind has been trying to wrestle the purpose of salvation away from God and onto ourselves. This is the work of the enemy of our souls. Edited June 28, 2019 by Pekoudah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Pekoudah said: I see the fear of the Lord covering both belief and repentance. True, I agree. There is no true repentance if there is no fear of what happens if you don't repent (by believing in His Word). If there is no fear, then the repentance would only be lip service. 20 minutes ago, Pekoudah said: What I see in the modern church is a tendency towards assurance of salvation but in a way that negates the fear of the Lord. So by putting the fear of the Lord back into the right perspective the truth is brought back into more of a semblance of balance. Amen! Without this balance there is a lot of irreverence in church today (in general). I'd rather err on the side of reverence and respect than on the side of taking Him for granted and casually. Edited June 28, 2019 by Tzephanyahu 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pekoudah Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 624 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/04/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: When it comes to Salvation,people better accept the truth of “ do nothing”, because there is nothing they can do to merit it.......All we can do and all we are required to do is believe this—- NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD. Please refrain from singing this song or better yet, rip it out of your hymnal if you don’t believe it. “Just As I Am” is another song you can remove. We are not being saved to "do nothing" but to be conformed to both the death and life of Jesus Christ who created us. We were created in the image of God...and we are being restored to THAT image. To be holy as God is holy. We were created for good works. Don't always be stuck in beginning mode and what saves one initially. If someone saves you from drowning by pulling you out of the water by the hair....you don't need to always keep having your hair pulled to remain "saved." There is a life IN the Spirit to be lived for the redeemed of the Lord. And it is quite the opposite of "doing nothing." The one who does nothing is like the servant who buried his talent and lost what he thought he had. We are to bear fruit. Not by human effort...but through allowing God's life to take over what we used to call our own. It is His life lived through us that makes for a fruit that lasts. But we will each be judged by our works...what we have done with what we have been given. Those who have received grace will be expected to have produced an abundant fruit. To whom much is given, more will be expected. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2019 Amen @Pekoudah. You're absolutely right. Saved by the blood to do nothing is not Biblical. Saved by the blood to serve Yahweh, in the name of our Lord, is. Beginner stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtletwo Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1,192 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7,264 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 15,710 Days Won: 194 Joined: 07/15/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Tzephanyahu said: True, I agree. There is no true repentance if there is no fear of what happens if you don't repent (by believing in His Word). If there is no fear, then the repentance would only be lip service. Amen! Without this balance there is a lot of irreverence in church today (in general). I'd rather err on the side of reverence and respect than on the side of taking Him for granted and casually. @Tzephanyahu Well put. Clear and poignant. Thanks for posting this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted June 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.87 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Pekoudah said: We are not being saved to "do nothing" but to be conformed to both the death and life of Jesus Christ who created us. We were created in the image of God...and we are being restored to THAT image. To be holy as God is holy. We were created for good works. Don't always be stuck in beginning mode and what saves one initially. If someone saves you from drowning by pulling you out of the water by the hair....you don't need to always keep having your hair pulled to remain "saved." There is a life IN the Spirit to be lived for the redeemed of the Lord. And it is quite the opposite of "doing nothing." The one who does nothing is like the servant who buried his talent and lost what he thought he had. We are to bear fruit. Not by human effort...but through allowing God's life to take over what we used to call our own. It is His life lived through us that makes for a fruit that lasts. But we will each be judged by our works...what we have done with what we have been given. Those who have received grace will be expected to have produced an abundant fruit. To whom much is given, more will be expected. Please reread the first five words of my post, so you will not continue to misconstrue what I said.When I say “ do nothing” I am referring to receiving the free gift of Salvation.You do nothing to merit salvation, you can’t do anything to keep yourself saved other than believe the Gospel that saved you to begin with .Of course , after Salvation , both Paul and James agree that the reason we were saved was to perform good works.These good works do not save or keep us saved. They flow out of us naturally as the Holy Spirit works in and through us.It can’t be helped.And GOD gets all the credit.Good things we do to get Brownie Points with God are “ dead works”.Our job is to continue the way we started— practicing faith. God will then do His job- work His goodness via the Holy Spirit that indwells us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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