Guest Jipsah Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 I always believed in Free Will theory, but now I worry about it not being so. I wouldn't worry that it isn't so, I worry that it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teri Mc Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 189 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/11/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2002 Did it ever dawn on anyone that it is not that God chose us by some random act. But that He actually knows the beginning and the end which would mean He knows ahead of time who will accept Him and who will reject Him. In that He puts us as evangelicals in the spots to tell those He already knows will listen. To that effect all we have to do is simply tell the truth of the gospel to those around us and let God take care of the rest. I don't believe in predetermination, what I believe is God knows the outcome already. He knows from the womb the condition of our hearts at death. Love in Christ Teri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2002 well said :thumb: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal777 Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2002 Okay Jipsah, if that's the way it really is, then why did God create those that have no chance whatsoever of getting to heaven? Does He think less of them or not love them as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jipsah Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Okay Jipsah, if that's the way it really is, then why did God create those that have no chance whatsoever of getting to heaven? Does He think less of them or not love them as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munari Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2002 I think I have an answer... God wants us to choose him despite ourselves. If there were no temptations, there would be no choice, our "hands would be forced." Most of what God tells us goes against our nature. He tells us not to do the things that if we were left to our own designs we'd probably end up doing. I like to compare it to my father asking me to cut the grass. I don't want to do, I don't like doing it, but I reluctantly agree to it. However, for God, this isn't good enough! He wants us to do the things we don't want to do, and like it! So, my response to dad would be, "Golly gee dad, can I really cut the grass?!?!? Can I trim the hedges, wash the cars, and paint all of the rooms in the house too!" We are to obey God because he knows what is best for us, but he wants us to obey him because we choose to, not because we have to. If the tree, Satan, and his demons were not created, we would have no temptations, we would have no choice but to follow God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shilo Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Good post munari, Am I really saying this?...lololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Munari, He wants us to do the things we don't want to do, and like it! I came from a religion where I had to do things I didn't want to and "like it"........... I HATED IT!!! I prefer to think God puts in us the desire to do His will once we surrender our life to Him. I'm doing things I never thought I'd do and LOVING IT! It's not about rules and regulations, it's about having a renewed mind, the mind of Christ, that only God can give us. Our righteousness is like filthy rags. God doesn't want us to do any works except the works that He works through us to further the kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munari Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 444 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2002 Word, I'm also speaking of sin in that quote you quoted from me. He wants us to give up sin, which we all want to do, but due to our weakness, we give in. And, if sin was not enjoyable at some level, we would not commit sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted June 4, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Munari, He loves us enough to accept us with our sin---but, too much to leave us that way. The more we become like Christ, the less we like sin. It's a process of drawing closer to Him, that He works in us. It's all evidence of the faith that we have (that by the way, He puts in us) I see your point but I think a lot of christians are disheartened in trying to do "good" we can't do it! God promises to give us the mind of Christ. With that we will hate sin. It is a process and one we won't complete until He comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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