a civil debate about homosexuality

[nebula]

then what did create it, was it my dad abusing me (nope to that one)

Why do you say this?

It has been found time and time again that many people who are gay were abused by their parents or other significant adult.

[Guest mike626]

ok, im going to go through some of the major ones first

you wil have to bear with me because its a lot to type, and im not super man

besides im going to bed in about 5 minutes because its 12:40 in england and im tired

ok, so first one ill deal with is

1 Corinthians 6: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

lets look at a better translation please, becasue the word homosexual would not have been written

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers

[Guest mike626]

before i go to bed, jus tlike to say that i said

then what did create it, was it my dad abusing me (nope to that one)

was because i have never been abused by any adult, any senior member of my family, friends, or life

but many people are under the misconception that this causes homosexuality and so its curable

NO

good night

God Bless

[Guest shiloh357]

nobodys replied about the weaving of two thread yet, do people need to repent for it?

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OK, now that I have time I will. First of all, it is not the mixing of two threads. It was the specific mixing of linen and wool called in Hebrew, Sha'anetz. It was the same commandment God made concerning the engendering of cattle other diverse kinds of cattle, and the sowing mingled seed and the mixing of wool and linen in garments. This commandment is found in Lev. 19:19.

The reason God told them not to do this was because the mixing of such things was a based upon common superstitions among the pagans surrounding them, and God specifically warns Israel about imitating the pagan cultures and their religious practices. That includes their superstitions as well.

Furthermore it was understood to be a commandment especially to the Priests whose garments were made completely of dyed wool, unlike the pagans who mixed the wool with linen.

This in no way lets you off the hook, Mike. It does not change the fact that God says that homosexuality is an abomination and that no one who practices it in any shape or fashion will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

You are living in a delusion, and you really need to have Jesus in your life. You still have time. As long as you can breathe you can still repent of the wickedness of homosexuality and become a true believer in Jesus Christ. As I said before, you can have Jesus, or you can be gay; you can't have both. You need to make a choice.

[ayin jade]

1 Corinthians 6: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

lets look at a better translation please, becasue the word homosexual would not have been written

That doesnt help your case. (I used (A) and (B) to mark which words I was using strongs concordance and The complete word study dictionary on.)

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (A), nor abusers of themselves with mankind (B), (KJV)

Strong's word definition is this:

(A) malakos

mal-ak-os'

Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.

(B) arsenokoitēs

ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace

From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

From the word study that I have downloaded:

(B) masc. noun, from

[RGR]

So God created you to be gay, huh? If this were so, why don't we see blessed homosexual couples throughout the Bible? We don't, not even once.

Second of all, taking a look at the physical standpoint of being gay, there is absolutely no way God created someone with the inclination of being gay.

[Guest mike626]

So God created you to be gay, huh?  If this were so, why don't we see blessed homosexual couples throughout the Bible?  We don't, not even once. 

Second of all, taking a look at the physical standpoint of being gay, there is absolutely no way God created someone with the inclination of being gay.

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did God create you straight?

you would most probably think that is a BS question because its obvioously Gods natural law etc, but can you really answer that, what makes you the sexual being you are? What makes you with all of your ambitions, dreams, passions?

the answer (no doubt in my mind) is God

we are all pots

some pots are specially crafted for display, others are just made for every day use

we all have been made how we are by God, all of our tallents, attributes, are from God - and sexual interest is an attribute/extension of our personality

second of all

people often say that man/man relationships cant work physically either, but i would have to disagree - i wont go into detail in public, but i would be interested to know how it wont work when it quite blatantly does

ps

Ayin Jade

in your post you say it wont help my case, are you reffering to me using a better translation of the text, or just the fact that it is not explicit to homosexuality?

shiloh357

i do have jesus in my life, and im the happiest ive ever been, and to be honest i think its shameful that you should even imply in your post that i have not fully committed myself to jesus, saying i need to choose between faith and sexuality.

why do people think that gay people cannot learn to love God?

God Bless

xXx

[Guest mike626]

and btw, we have not yet had the privlage of reading the "dead sea" scrolls, which were 'lost' because of their controvercial nature

so i would also say we do not know the entirety of Gods word

God Bless

[ayin jade]

Some people are naturally murderers and thieves. Is that ok too? By your reasoning, if you are "born" that way, it is ok with God.

We are born sinners. We have that sinful nature that we are to turn our backs on. Repent Mike. Your sin includes homosexuality.

[nebula]

what do people have to say to that, im not trying to start up a heated debate, but id just like to know what peopel think 

 

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I am going to have to ask again - why?

If you have seen the other threads regarding thi subject, you should already know what we believe around here.

So why have you started this thread?