a civil debate about homosexuality

[Guest mike626]

hold on a second

im being open on here, but ive already said im not here for council, imjust here to listen to what people have to say about it

yes i am using my personal story, but i am at a place where i am comfortable with God#

i said in my first post that if you use Bible versus, can you explain them in context aswell, please can we stick to this as "BibleBoy" has quoted a story but left it open and not explaind its relevance - this is not to say that he doesnt know what teh relevance is, but i think it helps everyoen if we are all specific about what we are saying

my responce to that is that the story talks about how all the people were practising homosexuality - it doesnt say how they were practising - if they were all sleeping together then i agree with Gods actions there, but if they just found that they had a sexual preferance to other men, but they found one healthy monogamous relationship, then i dont understand why they sufferd the fate they did

to be honest, it is most probable that they all slept together in serial relationships, which is completely different and out of the context of this discussion

so i would ask again, if you use a story - explain it in context, explore the story to get the fullest and deepest meaning from it

God Bless

xXx

[his-servant-too]

I don't think you will find the help you are looking for here. You need to look into your heart and you'll know your path. your life and salvation are only between you and god. By coming out here you have only open yourself up to ridicule and distaste.

[Trust & Obey]

hey guys

i can assure you that i have read all the scriptures, but i have come to peace with God in my life

you probably think that im some immature teenage boy whos hung up on his hormones, but i can only say that i assure that is not the case

i have looked at all the bits of scripture relating to it, and found that everything in there is sin, but i have to say that i am not feeling downtrodden with sin, i love God and i know that god loves me.  God made me how i am, and if God wants me in a loving hetrosexual relationship then god will fidn me a woman i can fall in love with, but if i find a man i can fall in love with, then i feel that God will bless that relationship providing i dont loose focus on him and on christ

our god is a god of love, and he will not turn his back on me no matter what i do - that is not to be twisted to say i have a 'get out of jail free' card, but so long as i dont loose focus on God i will be saved

God bless

xXx

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Mike, don't make the mistake of assuming that just because you have homosexual tendencies that "God made you that way." A murder has a tendency to commit murder... is that okay with God?

A thief has a tendency to steal... is that okay with God?

Homosexuality, like murder and stealing, is sin. Plain and simple.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil and to free you from your sin.

[nebula]

Mike -

There is a verse in the Torah:

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

The context here is a set of instructions regarding sexual purity.

"A man lying with a male as he lies with a woman" is a clear reference to sexual relations, as are the surrounding verses, and quite frankly says that a man having sex with a man is an abomination.

Can you justify this as referring to anything else?

And how does the Lord regard sexual immorality?

1Co 5:11 - But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.

Rev. 2:14-16

But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. . . . Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Rev. 21:8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Yes, God loves you deeply. But He is also a holy and righteous judge who does not let the guilty go unpunished.

Remember, Satan is a lier and a deceiver. He can disuise himself as an "angel of light" and make the bad seem good and the good seem bad.

You were not "born this way." That is one of Satan's lies to keep you in bondage.

Oh, you believe you are free.

But you are not!

Sin has blinded your eyes to the Truth.

How many drug addicts deny they are in bondage?

Cry aloud for wisdom!

Raise your voice for understanding!

Take heed to the Word of the Lord.

Consider His precepts.

Incline your heart to His ways.

Know the thunder of His voice.

Righteousness is the foundation of His throne!

[Guest mike626]

God has freed me

God has freed me from the guilt i used to carry with being gay

i used to be so ashamed of myself, so much so that i was harming myself - drugs, alcohol, smokes, cutting my wrist

God has freed me from the guilt i used to carry with being gay, now i am at peace within myself, and i love God for that

and that is also plain and simple to be honest, i see God as love, and if i find true love with someone, i know that God will be involved in that, be it a man or wahtever it may be. i dont know what the future holds for me, only God knows that. but what i do know is that if i fall in love with another man, God will not hate me for it

God Bless

xXx

[Guest charlie]

I think we're all familiar with the scriptures on sexual immorality but WHY do we in the Christian community hold homosexuals to a stricter standard than divorcees who remarry?

As a remarried divorcee I recurrently have problems with this issue because Jesus Christ himself had a lot to say about divorce but NOTHING to say about homosexuality - at least not that is recorded in scripture. It was Paul, who wasn't even among the original 12 diciples, who wasn't married himself, who spoke out so strongly against both women and homosexuality (which he called an abomination). If it was an abomination you'd think Jesus would have at least mentioned it and it would have been recorded in the scriptures. I'm a little puzzled on this. I've been told I'm forgiven for my sin but I continue to be married to my second wife. My previous minister told me to divorce her and seek out my first wife and reconcile with her if she was unmarried. It made me mad but at least he didn't discriminate so I've gotta give him credit for that.

Also, if the homosexual prays to God to take away the tendency and make him straight....why doesn't God do it. He says to ask him for anything and with the faith of a mustard seed it will be done. Since most people in this country are of a Christian background there has to have been many a prayer to God to "straighten" this thing out and fix it.....but it doesn't happen.

[Trinity]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

[Guest charlie]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

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Are you talking to me or to Mike?

[Trinity]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

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Are you talking to me or to Mike?

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lol mike

[tsth]

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

I want to warn those who define God and His character, outside of His Word, that you are building a god of your own imagination.

Everything has been formed from His Word, He was sent as the Word, Who became flesh, so to try to convey God as someone you have created in your own mind, going against His Very Word, will bring great destruction. God is only revealed and defined by His Own Word and no other way.

Jesus is the Way. the Truth, and the Life.

His Name is THE WORD!

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

..............and his name is called The Word of God.

In His Truth,

Suzanne