Debp Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,314 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,368 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Melinda12 said: . If two people are 100% committed to each other, in love, and believe in Jesus, then a delay in actually getting married is surely not the greatest of sins.. Melinda, if they really believe in Jesus, they would not be committing the sin of fornication. Christians need to put what God says about marriage above what the world says about marriage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTCarroll Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 56 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 40 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, Debp said: Melinda, if they really believe in Jesus, they would not be committing the sin of fornication. Christians need to put what God says about marriage above what the world says about marriage. The world says you need a piece of paper signed by them to be married. Does God say that as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 I don't know if it has already been said, but I think the following is worth being repeated. A lot of people do not like the idea of obtaining a marriage certificate because it means that they are obligated to remain committed to the relationship and have a false sense of wellbeing that if they aren't actually legally married, that a breakup will be easier and painless. This is NOT true, because in all relationships whether its between good friends, family, neighbor's, a boy or girlfriend there is still a lot of emotional investment that ties all peoples together. No split with anybody is without pain or heartache. A break up hurts both parties, period!! Not only do the two that are living together have pain from a split but so do the families. And if there are children involved, they are hurt the most by it. While it is true that some areas recognize “common law marriages” they aren't without problems either. And isn't exactly proof of a marriage. Official documentation provides legal benefits in a variety of situations such as proof of identification if there is a name change for example. You will need it for other situations when they present themselves. As for wedding costs. One does not have to have a ceremony performed by a minister or go through the expense of wedding clothes, invitations and so on. A judge or justice of the peace in the U.S can legally perform the marriage ceremony without further ado. In the U.K it would be a state registrar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Indeed. Edited July 29, 2019 by Melinda12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 A marriage certificate is NOT a contract...it is simply a recorded documentation that two people are married. A marriage certificate is proof that the ceremony occurred and was performed by a person authorized to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, appy said: A marriage certificate is NOT a contract...it is simply a recorded documentation that two people are married. A marriage certificate is proof that the ceremony occurred and was performed by a person authorized to do so. And legally to be of notable worth, which packs a lot of clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Melinda12 said: Fornication? In this modern age, lots of people live together without marriage but in a fully committed relationship built on love and respect. It could be their circumstances that mean finances or other practical considerations mean they have delayed getting married. It could be they think it is sensible to spend a year or two getting to know each other before making the biggest most serious legally binding contract two people can ever make. Romance and love are good and natural. But marriage is not to be entered into hastily. How does a christian proceed for the best? Is it possible to truly love Jesus Christ but live with the partner you love without marriage? Assuming complete faithfulness to each other. No it is not something a Christian can do. Fornication is a sin against one's own body and is repeatedly condemned throughout the New Testament. It is even in the small list of necessary things in Acts. Edited July 29, 2019 by Firm Foundation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,469 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 20 hours ago, Melinda12 said: It is not a simple matter. Divorce rates are high. A couple marrying quickly can be very foolish. Yet waiting for marriage before having a sexual relationship means a monumental unrealistic amount of self discipline. This in the case of a completely faithful committed love. I heard of a young couple who dated 6 months then married. 12 months later divorce. Because she discovered too late he was an alcoholic and took drugs. Only living together after marriage revealed his hiding places for bottles and pills. Now she faces losing half her money to him plus the big loan they took out for the wedding. If she had but lived with him a while this was preventable. Love is a very strong emotion. Marriage is a legal binding contract. She is a christian who wanted to do the right thing. Now her life is in pieces. So i don't know if strict adherence is possible? What about practicality? In this day and age things are different. A woman does not need a man to keep her. Marriage is not necessary. Faithfulness and loyalty yes. Commitment between couples vital. Hebrews 13:8 (KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Proverbs 14:12 (KJV) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. There are many non essential for Salvation topics in the Bible open for discussion, interpretation and debate. Fornication outside of marriage is not one of them. God's word is crystal clear with no wiggle room for debate on this subject. Prenuptial agreements and common law marriages are man's invention. I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where the government required a couple to get a blood test for genetic compatibility before the 'government' granted them permission to receive a marriage license (I know, I just gave away my age). What business does the government have in marriage in the first place? Genesis 2:24 (KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. God ordains a marriage. The word wife (Hb: ishshan); can't be contorted to mean life long partner in love and a secular commitment. B'ASTARD, a. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. 2. Spurious;; not genuine; false; supposititious; adulterate. In this sense, it is applied to things which resemble those which are genuine, but are really not genuine; as a bastard hope, bastard honors. ~ Webster 1828 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTCarroll Posted July 30, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 56 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 40 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2019 22 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: Hebrews 13:8 (KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Proverbs 14:12 (KJV) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. There are many non essential for Salvation topics in the Bible open for discussion, interpretation and debate. Fornication outside of marriage is not one of them. God's word is crystal clear with no wiggle room for debate on this subject. Prenuptial agreements and common law marriages are man's invention. I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where the government required a couple to get a blood test for genetic compatibility before the 'government' granted them permission to receive a marriage license (I know, I just gave away my age). What business does the government have in marriage in the first place? Genesis 2:24 (KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. God ordains a marriage. The word wife (Hb: ishshan); can't be contorted to mean life long partner in love and a secular commitment. B'ASTARD, a. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. 2. Spurious;; not genuine; false; supposititious; adulterate. In this sense, it is applied to things which resemble those which are genuine, but are really not genuine; as a bastard hope, bastard honors. ~ Webster 1828 Is there anywhere in the bible that talks about the requirement for a government issued license? Is not that man's invention also? Does God require approval from the State for Him to recognize a marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 30, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, RTCarroll said: Does God require approval from the State for Him to recognize a marriage? I've been reluctant to mention the validity of a common law marriage perhaps being alright, and permissible before the eyes of God. But, looking up some info here, it seems really 'iffy' in a lot of states. Not many recognize it, and more are limited. You'd need some kind of official documentation, and well here's the list: Colorado District of Columbia Iowa Kansas Montana Rhode Island South Carolina Texas Utah Here's the limited States and they are back dated: Georgia (if created before Jan 1, 1997) Idaho (if created before Jan 1, 1996) New Hampshire (for inheritance only) Oklahoma (if created before Nov 1, 1998) Ohio (if created before Oct 10, 1991) Pennsylvania (if created before Jan 1, 2005) Sounds like a real hassle to me. Why not just get married? Edited July 30, 2019 by BeauJangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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