nobleseed Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 i find some peoples view of the faith too simplistic, what i mean is some say that only christians go to heaven while everyone goes to hell, i do not think that just because people do not believe automatically go to hell, though they will be judged and without an advocate like we have and their only defense is ignorance. but paul writes in romans that those who do not know will be convicted or justified by their own conscience. but what does the gospels say, that Jesus so loved the world that he gave his son, does it say he only loved christians that he gave his only son, no but the whole world, i reckon when it is all done and God judges the thoughts and deeds of men that we will be amazed at Gods mercy not only for the believer but also for those who remain ignorant. also it is us who know him and his ways that if we continue to sin will be judged more harshly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Who me Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, nobleseed said: i find some peoples view of the faith too simplistic, what i mean is some say that only christians go to heaven while everyone goes to hell, i do not think that just because people do not believe automatically go to hell, though they will be judged and without an advocate like we have and their only defense is ignorance. but paul writes in romans that those who do not know will be convicted or justified by their own conscience. but what does the gospels say, that Jesus so loved the world that he gave his son, does it say he only loved christians that he gave his only son, no but the whole world, i reckon when it is all done and God judges the thoughts and deeds of men that we will be amazed at Gods mercy not only for the believer but also for those who remain ignorant. also it is us who know him and his ways that if we continue to sin will be judged more harshly. You have not read what follows John 3:16:- 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. As you say God will judge our thoughts and deeds. A question for you, if someone does not love God, who is it that they love? Acts4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” If someone does not accept Jesus as there saviour just what are they trusting in? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 Simple? Yeshua died in agony after being beaten severely and mocked. It may be that BELIEF is too simple for some. But the 'simple' fact is, that you are LOST if you do not believe on Yeshau (Jesus Christ). Until you believe there is no hope for you. The Lord High God who made heaven and earth and all that it, seen and unseen, kept it none complex so nobody could say they did it themselves. If children understand, then it is not 'simple' just very straightforward. Additionally, for those that may read this I'd like to say to you that there is ONLY One Way to be saved. All other suggestions and belief systems are wrong, in error and are designed by evil powers to confuse and obfuscate God's message of salvation. The Gospel of Yeshua. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, nobleseed said: i find some peoples view of the faith too simplistic, what i mean is some say that only christians go to heaven while everyone goes to hell, i do not think that just because people do not believe automatically go to hell, though they will be judged and without an advocate like we have and their only defense is ignorance. I'm afraid that's not gonna fly a whole lotta yardage, when the Book of Life is opened, and the question is then asked, "Is his/her name written it it?" Just saying. Edited July 29, 2019 by BeauJangles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 the best type of faith is conviction of the heart, this is the type of faith that paul refers to in romans that even nonbelievers have, that they will be convicted whether they are good or evil. it is the heart that testifies of all we are whether we have a heart for God or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nobleseed said: the best type of faith is conviction of the heart, this is the type of faith that paul refers to in romans that even nonbelievers have, that they will be convicted whether they are good or evil. it is the heart that testifies of all we are whether we have a heart for God or not. Okay, so the main concern here is, if one has sinned what kind of position does that put him or her if it goes unforgiven? Edited July 29, 2019 by BeauJangles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BeauJangles said: Okay, so the main concern here is, if one has sinned what kind of position does that put him or her if it goes unforgiven? Not really as all are born in sin, period. And yes it is pretty simple, very simple. Jesus is transliterated as stating; I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me. Seems pretty direct - I'd state even simple. All the other stuff, the yah but what if's are just so much flack and distraction, born of the ministry of distractions of the minions of Satan of which there are many. Many of the flock hear the messages of distraction and do get concerned about this error or that one, this sin and that one. Hear the Shepherd, the Good Shepherd, for He does not lose a one of the sheep of His Flock given Him by His Father. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, nobleseed said: the best type of faith is conviction of the heart, this is the type of faith that paul refers to in romans that even nonbelievers have, that they will be convicted whether they are good or evil. it is the heart that testifies of all we are whether we have a heart for God or not. Conviction in what? That one is a 'good' person who 'deserves' heaven or the conviction that Jesus died and rose again to pay for my sin? One can be sincerely wrong and in this topic that is eternaly fatel. Matth 7 and the varrius parables there teach very clearly that we are to make an effort to have faith and to have faith in the right source i.e. Jesus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Who me said: One can be sincerely wrong and in this topic that is eternaly fatel. Yes, exactly. It would appear that our friend assumes it's a cake walk to Heaven, just by being a nice guy. I don't think so, however. And this is why. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. KJV 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 hours ago, nobleseed said: i find some peoples view of the faith too simplistic, what i mean is some say that only christians go to heaven while everyone goes to hell, i do not think that just because people do not believe automatically go to hell, though they will be judged and without an advocate like we have and their only defense is ignorance. but paul writes in romans that those who do not know will be convicted or justified by their own conscience. but what does the gospels say, that Jesus so loved the world that he gave his son, does it say he only loved christians that he gave his only son, no but the whole world, i reckon when it is all done and God judges the thoughts and deeds of men that we will be amazed at Gods mercy not only for the believer but also for those who remain ignorant. also it is us who know him and his ways that if we continue to sin will be judged more harshly. I figure that if we follow the two great commandments - that we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves -that we'll be okay. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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