The Difference between Dan. 70th week & the Tribulation.

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Marilyn and douggg.

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With great love for the both of you and deep prayer for your understanding,

Retrobyter

Hi Retro,

I know you mean well but it seems to me you are coming from your opinions.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Marilyn.

And, you're not?! READ the WHOLE prophecy before making assumptions about it. If your research into the prophecy is spotty, so will be your conclusions. That's not opinion; that's OBSERVATION from experience!

[Diaste]

On 8/20/2019 at 4:27 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi douggg,

I hear what you are saying, however the Lord does give the beginning of the tribulation before the Great tribulation.

` All these are the beginning of sorrows..` (Matt. 24: 8)  `sorrows,` here is likened to `birth pangs.`

This is the same as in the Lord`s warning -

`For when they say "Peace and Safety," then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman.` (1 Thess. 5: 3)

Thus we see that the tribulation will come upon the world suddenly and then increase in intensity, as labour/birth pains.

Marilyn.

I prefer this as it's scriptural. As you say: Beginning of Sorrows, A of D, Great Tribulation, The Sign of the Coming of the Son of Man, The Gathering, Wrath.

[Justin Adams]

Tribulation to an Israeli is the scattering of nations and the exile of the scattered tribes. 

"Tribulation" could easily be the sacking of Jerusalem. Read Josephus' account. Horrendous for Israelis.

A shadow of a later REALLY REALLY REALLY Great tribulation is also implied by Yeshua (Matt 24).

Please note that this stuff was written to Israel. The inter-testament Hebrew scholars were very conscious of what needed to happen when the Messiah came. They missed the plot, but all they had hoped for came about but in a different way than expected. They will see this later - but not for awhile yet.

Quote: About Revelations. (most likely written in AD 68 in Aramaic (Syriac) and later translated to Greek.

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/28131/was-the-book-of-john-written-first-or-the-book-of-revelation

 “It was written in Patmos about A.D. 68, whither John had been banished by Domitius Nero, as stated in the title of the Syriac version of the book; and with this concurs the express statement of Irenaeus in A.D. 175, who says it happened in the reign of Domitianou – i.e., Domitius (Nero). Sulpicius, Orosius, etc., stupidly mistaking Domitianou for Domitianikos, supposed Irenaeus to refer to Domitian, A.D. 95, and most succeeding writers have fallen into the same blunder. The internal testimony is wholly in favor of the early date.”

One of multiple sources (p. 147): here below is the link.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x2hW5TETupgC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=Young's+Analytical+Concordance+on+the+date+of+Revelation&source=bl&ots=PJdkY7sjXX&sig=rF45GkII-s1nw6jAb8KuO7jOlPY&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Young's Analytical Concordance on the date of Revelation&f=false
 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Justin Adams

[Revelation Man]

On 8/16/2019 at 8:31 PM, Marilyn C said:

The Difference between Daniel`s 70th week and the Tribulation.
 

Daniel`s 70th Week.

`Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, (National rebellion)…..and to anoint the Most Holy.` (Dan. 9: 24)

This prophecy was given to the people of Israel revealing the time of chastisement by God till there would be atonement and National Deliverance.

God declared this long ago. `He will provide atonement for His land and His people.` (Deut. 32: 43)
 

Most of the 70 x 7 years have been fulfilled with only 7 years to go. In Revelation 8 we see the beginning of this atonement for Israel`s national rebellion. The Lord, the High Priest has paid the price with His precious blood, and we see Him represented before God`s throne in the heavenly sanctuary, interceding for Israel.

Throughout Rev. 8 - 19 we read of the Lord`s Mediatorial role for Israel, and we see the `temple` in heaven opened. The Ark of the Covenant is seen, the Lord Himself coming forth, bringing National Deliverance to Israel.

Why Rev. 8 ? I think everyone misses the timing of the Book of Revelation and the DOTL.

DOTL = The Middle of the week, thus Day 1261 of the 252o days of the 70th week. The first Six Seals are opened on day 1261. 

Now we have a reference point to when Israel REPENTS !!

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So Israel REPENTS FIRST then the DOTL arrives. How else would we expect Israel to know that they should flee Judea like Jesus says ? They don't read Jesus as we speak !! Or heed what he says. They know because the have REPENTED and thus have read Matthew 24. Thus when the False Prophet places the IMAGE {Rev. 13..........Matthew 24:15-17} in the Temple at the 1290 (1290 days before the Second Coming) the Jews will understand they have 30 days to flee Judea before the 1260 event where the Little Horn overcomes the Saints as Daniel 12:4-6 says (this happens 1260 days from the Second Coming). 

The Two-witnesses are the Blessing that shows up 1335 days before the Second Coming. 

So Israel repents BEFORE the DOTL. Going through Zechariah 12, 13 and 14 we can also see this TIMELINE.

Zechariah 12 Israel is surrounded and Jerusalem is a trembling cup to all the nations, THEN Israel REPENTS and accepts Christ Jesus in verse 10.

In Zechariah 13 we see that the 1/3 who REPENT are delivered whilst 2/3 refuse to repent and thus they will PERISH.

In Zechariah 14:1-2 we see the Little Horn/Anti-Christ Conquering the holy peoples/Israel/Jerusalem to become The Beast. Then in verses 3 and 4 we see Jesus defeating the Beast and his minions at Armageddon.

So the TIMELINE in both instances agree, Israel REPENTS.............BEFORE the Day of the Lord. {Which is when Jesus opens the first six seals on day 1261..........1260 days away from the Second Coming).

Edited August 28, 2019 by Revelation Man

[douggg]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So Israel REPENTS FIRST then the DOTL arrives.    How else would we expect Israel to know that they should flee Judea like Jesus says ? They don't read Jesus as we speak !! Or heed what he says. They know because the have REPENTED and thus have read Matthew 24.

In 1Thessalonians5, they will be saying peace and safety, and be caught off  when the Day of the Lord begins.  

The two witnesses will be testifying that whole time that Israel is saying peace and safety, thinking the Antichrist is the real messiah.     That's how the Jews will know to flee.      Israel repents after their thought-to-be messiah betrays them, triggering the Day of the Lord.     

I show the peace and safety on my chart, as well as the 1260 days of the two witnesses testifying.   The two witnesses will be testifying during that whole times, warning the Jews of what is to come.

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1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

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Edited August 28, 2019 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, douggg said:

In 1Thessalonians5, they will be saying peace and safety, and be caught off  when the Day of the Lord begins.  

 

And ??????????????????????? Only those that KNOW God sees God's handiwork and thus flees, thus only those not of God are caught unawares, if they had believed in God they wouldn't have 1. missed the Rapture and 2. still been in sin when the DOTL fell upon them. Your belief on the Jews accepting a false king clouds your judgment here IMHO brother. 

Only those of the Dark are caught unawares by the dark. 

4 hours ago, douggg said:

The two witnesses will be testifying that whole time that Israel is saying peace and safety, thinking the Antichrist is the real messiah.     That's how the Jews will know to flee.     

Not so, it doesn't add up to boot. The Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe as I have pointed out to you numerous times, thus they die RIGHT BEFORE the Beast dies at the 7th Vial {3rd Woe = all 7 Vials}.Thus their 1260 days almost matches the Beasts 1260 days, except they show up to witness 1335 days before the Second Coming whereas the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Mediterranean Sea Region 1260 days before the Second Coming, there is thus only a 75 day difference in their alignment. Israel never accepts anyone as their supposed Messiah. I don't even think you get what the Jews see the Messiah as, they see him as a political leader who saves them from the Fourth Beast. They never saw him as the Son of God, this is why the missed him the first time he came. You seem to think the Jews are looking for a king, when they are looking for a political warrior. 

5 hours ago, douggg said:

Israel repents after their thought-to-be messiah betrays them, triggering the Day of the Lord.     

Not factual brother. And nowhere in the bibles is this stated.

5 hours ago, douggg said:

I show the peace and safety on my chart, as well as the 1260 days of the two witnesses testifying.   The two witnesses will be testifying during that whole times, warning the Jews of what is to come.

 

The peace and safety is the first half of the 2520 days, thus its the first half of the 70th week, which lasts 1260 days. We don't need a chart for that. The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming. And that is 45 days before the AoD and 75 days before the Beast.

5 hours ago, douggg said:

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

THEY.....Those of the dark....not those of the light. 

[douggg]

43 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

And ??????????????????????? Only those that KNOW God sees God's handiwork and thus flees, thus only those not of God are caught unawares, if they had believed in God they wouldn't have 1. missed the Rapture and 2

"God's handiwork" - what does than mean?    The Jews will be saying peace and safety - not repenting and worshiping Jesus before the Day of the Lord begins.  

When the Antichrist betrays them, it will come as a complete surprise.    

The Jews aren't raptured, which shows you argument invalid.   They are still here on earth in Zechariah 14 when Jesus returns to rescue them.

[douggg]

50 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Not so, it doesn't add up to boot. The Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe as I have pointed out to you numerous times, thus they die RIGHT BEFORE the Beast dies at the 7th Vial {3rd Woe = all 7 Vials}.

Well, you have been wrong multiple times.    The two witnesses die at the end of their testimony is what the text says.

 

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Israel never accepts anyone as their supposed Messiah. I don't even think you get what the Jews see the Messiah as, they see him as a political leader who saves them from the Fourth Beast

From Judaism 101.org:

'The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. "

 

Now look at my chart upper left corner.   "anointed the King of Israel by the False Prophet".    The only three previous kings of united Israel were....    Saul and David anointed king of Israel, by prophet Samuel.   Solomon anointed king of Israel by prophet Nathan.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by douggg