God used Evolution to 'create' man

[one.opinion]

10 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Nothing more than witchcraft, disguised as science.

I'll be happy to discuss the science/witchcraft with you, should you ever wish.

[omega2xx]

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

That's the King James version. I bolded the part where God says what the earth did.   None of my other Bibles say anything different.  Maybe your translation is the faulty one?

You originally quoted Gen 1:20.  To understand Gen 1:24, you need to include 1:25 - Then God MADE. the beat of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps...  The earth was not the source of the life of those animals, it was the material God used to make them.  The earth has no life, and death can't be the source of life.

Barbarian observes:

Again, life was not created from nothing, but rather from something created earlier.  Not ex nihilo. 

What was created earlier and what was  its source of coming into being?

  It is apparent you have not studied the text and it seems you have not even read it very carefully.

Let me suggest I have studied the Bible more than you have, maybe not but probably.  In fact it seems o me you have only read  it, but have not studied  it,.  You do not seem to know that life was created ex nihilo before 1:24.   Plant life, began in Gen 1:11-12.  Since there was not plant life at that time, God created it ex nihilo.  Then animal lie was created in Gen 1:20, and since there was no animal life at that time, it was created ex nihilo

We're talking about living things.   As you just learned, God did not create living things from nothing as you assumed.  The Earth and waters brought them forth as He says in Genesis.    You can like it, or you can object to it, but His word remains.   Find a way to accept Him and His word.

 Plants are living things and so are birds and sea monsters, and they lived before Gen 1:20 & 24. It does not say waters brought forth anything, and that which is dead can' be the source of life in anything.

Find a way to understand Him and His word.

love, peace, joy

 

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

That's the King James version. I bolded the part where God says what the earth did.   None of my other Bibles say anything different.  Maybe your translation is the faulty one?

Barbarian observes:

Again, life was not created from nothing, but rather from something created earlier.  Not ex nihilo.   It is apparent you have not studied the text and it seems you have not even read it very carefully.

We're talking about living things.   As you just learned, God did not create living things from nothing as you assumed.  The Earth and waters brought them forth as He says in Genesis.    You can like it, or you can object to it, but His word remains.   Find a way to accept Him and His word.

 

 

[omega2xx]

11 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

When excessively inbred, some dogs are unable to reproduce at all. That is not what we are talking about. Dogs and breed with other dogs. Dogs can even breed with wolves. However, dogs cannot breed with foxes (another canid). Using reproductive incompatibility as a measuring stick, dogs and foxes are different species, even though they still look rather similar.

If I provide evidence with links, you don't follow them. When I provide evidence with my own explanations, you ignore it. You are predisposed to reject evidence contrary to your opinion. Do you remember saying "They don;'t have any real evidence either", before any evidence was presented? How would you possibly know the future to see what would be presented as evidence? My conclusion (and you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to make this conclusion) is that you really aren't interested in looking at the evidence.

I have heard YEC scientists state that there is no amount of evidence that would change their views. I'm ok with this since they are being honest about their position. You hold the same position, but without actually admitting it.

Alright, to avoid confusion after I present evidence for natural selection, let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. Are you stating that natural selection does not exist? Also, could you explain natural selection in your own words so we can see whether I can provide evidence for it?

You are contradicting yourself. Speciation, by definition, causes new species. Remember, these new species do not need to be obviously different in their traits in order to be new species. This is what you have said.

Now back it up. You have not shown that creations scientists deny speciation or any other convolution that you have claimed. You want others to show you evidence you either won't look at or consider, and don't supply evidence of your own - all while pretending you do.

Let's review the evidence again.

You are clearly stating that there is something in the Bible that states that a kind cannot change over time.

Are you suggesting the Bible says kinds can and do change?  "After their kind" certainly suggest they will not change.

[one.opinion]

9 minutes ago, omega2xx said:

Are you suggesting the Bible says kinds can and do change?

No, I'm saying that the Bible doesn't say one way or the other.

10 minutes ago, omega2xx said:

"After their kind" certainly suggest they will not change.

No, all it says is that progeny will be similar to parents. This does not imply that the kinds cannot change over time. You made a claim, but it doesn't like you can support it.

[dhchristian]

5 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I'm a little concerned that you are so frustrated by having what the Bible actually says is presented to you. I'm also a little concerned that you are continuing the same false claim. Are you ok?

Notice the "duck and dodge" of the self deceived trying to distract from their own self deception.... Here I will requote what I said...

 

16 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

So You do not like the term self deception is there a more PC term to use when exposing your self deception? You Just do not get it, do you? You accuse me of being a false accuser, because you are under the spell of a deception that begins inside of you... self deception Is the hardest form of deception to overcome, because the Lie was created by the person defending the lie, and that means everyone exposing the fallacy of this lie is a false accuser, rather than a brother who has been under that same deception himself and is now trying to expose that deception that you are victim to. 

You have no critical thinking ability in you, that would make you question the theory of evolution, because it is propagated by false signs and wonders.... Nothing more than witchcraft, disguised as science. You yourself are propagating this witchcraft disguised as science, but you are so brainwashed that you cannot see this by the indoctrinization of the Universities of "Higher Learning", which are nothing more than temples to this false God of evolution. You Bow down and worship in submission to that "higher learning" and in so doing worship a different God, and not the God of the Word. Then You twist scripture to make it fit your false God, Rather than letting the Word of God teach you, for All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 timothy 3:16). 

I Just thought of this but theistic evolution is nothing more than "doublethink" As Explained by George Orwell in 1984....

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” 

Says it all, Me thinks! There is no compromising the Word of God, as you would like to do. 

God Bless.

[one.opinion]

6 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

I Just thought of this but theistic evolution is nothing more than "doublethink" As Explained by George Orwell in 1984....

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” 

Hahahhahahaha! For all the relevance, you may as well quote some Dickens. If you think you have reasons to dispute the science, I would appreciate it if you started in on that.

[dhchristian]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

Hahahhahahaha! For all the relevance, you may as well quote some Dickens. If you think you have reasons to dispute the science, I would appreciate it if you started in on that.

Why Would I use a Pseudo scientific methodology to debate creation, the two do not mix like oil and water. Evolution is false Science... It would be similar to Muslim asking me to debate him using the Koran.... Not the way to prove a point. You Are on a Christian site and I dare say most here believe in YEC in some form or another, they definitely do not see Humans as descending from apes or amoebas for that matter. The Onus is on you to use scripture to back up the theory of evolution, which you cannot, because scripture affirms and testifies to the six day creation so you have to invent meanings to verses using your evolution goggles just to even get noticed, Or absurd comments such as Barbarians one that said YEC is a "modern invention". In The Words of Robot in Lost in space

 

[one.opinion]

20 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Why Would I use a Pseudo scientific methodology to debate creation, the two do not mix like oil and water. Evolution is false Science... It would be similar to Muslim asking me to debate him using the Koran.... Not the way to prove a point. You Are on a Christian site and I dare say most here believe in YEC in some form or another, they definitely do not see Humans as descending from apes or amoebas for that matter. The Onus is on you to use scripture to back up the theory of evolution, which you cannot, because scripture affirms and testifies to the six day creation so you have to invent meanings to verses using your evolution goggles just to even get noticed, Or absurd comments such as Barbarians one that said YEC is a "modern invention". In The Words of Robot in Lost in space

 

Wow, that’s some pretty intense avoidance behavior. Your excuse for not discussing science is “this is a Christian site”? Really? The title of this portion of the site is “Science and Faith”, if that makes you feel any better about discussing science.

Honestly, please describe scientifically why you evolution is false, despite the fact that we can observe it directly. Evolution is heritable change in populations over time, and it is an observed fact. Care to try to explain why it is false science? Or would you like me to help you articulate your objections more accurately?

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, omega2xx said:

 To understand Gen 1:24, you need to include 1:25 - Then God MADE. the beat of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps...

No, it says, Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

As you see,God rules out your new doctrine of "life ex nihilo."   He says the earth brought forth life, as He intended.    Not from nothing, from the earth.

3 hours ago, omega2xx said:

What was created earlier and what was  its source of coming into being?

Sorry, no bunny trails; we're talking about the creation of life..   As you now realize, your new doctrine of "life ex nihilo" is ruled out by God's word.

3 hours ago, omega2xx said:

that which is dead can' be the source of life in anything.

God says otherwise.   He says the earth brought forth living things.   I realize that's not consistent with your new doctrines, but you'll have to take it up with Him, not me.

 

[The Barbarian]

4 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Same thing over and over again, now you are worse than Barbarian in the braincell department. I Have exposed your fraudulent deistic God you serve, yet you want to continue your lies about what the Bible says, which is your own private interpretation through the Goggles of evolutionary science. YEC is the Word of God,

YEC is was invented by the Seventh-Day Adventists in the 20th century.   And you might want to be a little careful about calling Christians "deists."   For that matter, I'm pretty sure it's a violation of the rules to call others liars here.  

Use some restraint; it would make you more credible.