God used Evolution to 'create' man

[dad2]

42 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Evolution.    Remember "change in allele frequency in a population over time.   Or "descent with modification" as Darwin put it.

Yep.  As you learned, evolution is directly observed.

You're confusing evolution with consequences of evolution.  As you learned, even most creationist groups admit a limited amount of common descent.   Usually, they admit new species, genera, families, and sometimes new orders of organisms.   That would put humans and tree shrews in the same "kind."

No. I am confusing nothing. Evos confuse creation with some process of evolving. They not only speak of the actual evolving we observe, but extend this to make evolution the reason for life on earth. (with or without the supposed help of 'god' does not matter, since God said He created)

[one.opinion]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

No. I am confusing nothing. Evos confuse creation with some process of evolving. They not only speak of the actual evolving we observe, but extend this to make evolution the reason for life on earth. (with or without the supposed help of 'god' does not matter, since God said He created)

No one that actually knows what they are talking about thinks evolution is the reason for life in earth. Abiogenesis is a separate hypothesis.

The “evos” here believe God was completely responsible for creation.

Why not address actual beliefs instead of false imaginations?

[dad2]

40 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

No one that actually knows what they are talking about thinks evolution is the reason for life in earth. Abiogenesis is a separate hypothesis.

The “evos” here believe God was completely responsible for creation.

Why not address actual beliefs instead of false imaginations?

Ok. Answer a few questions so we can see what the your position is.

Do you believe Eve was a real woman taken from a bone of a man God created and formed as a real man? Or do you believe you share relatives with flatworms?

[one.opinion]

19 minutes ago, Godismyloveforever said:

I want one.

I believe it requires a special permit...

[one.opinion]

9 hours ago, dad2 said:

Do you believe Eve was a real woman taken from a bone of a man God created and formed as a real man? Or do you believe you share relatives with flatworms?

The original language of the Bible says nothing about a bone - rib, or otherwise.

You’ve read what I believe about Adam and Eve, but I should add that I believe it is possible that Adam and Eve were special creations.

I believe that Adam and Eve were not the only humans in the planet at the time they existed. This is partially supported by the Biblical account of Cain’s life after he murdered Abel. You believe that Adam and Eve has additional children prior to Seth, despite no evidence from the Bible. My belief is supported by scientific evidence, and yours is not. My belief may be unconventional among evangelical Christians, but evidence is on my side.

[one.opinion]

10 minutes ago, Godismyloveforever said:

Being extinct could also be problematic.

Just a minor hurdle compared to the bureaucratic red tape :-) 

[dad2]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

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The original language of the Bible says nothing about a bone - rib, or otherwise.

 

The word bone in Hebrew means this

"bone, essence, substance

1. bone
   1. body, limbs, members, external body
2. bone (of animal)
3. substance, self "
4. So there doesn't seem to be  any confusion. How about sleep, God caused Adam to fall into a sleep, does that mean something else? Etc

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

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You’ve read what I believe about Adam and Eve, but I should add that I believe it is possible that Adam and Eve were special creations.

Don't recall, sorry. I find it slippery when people claim to believe in Eve or Adam, but then demonstrate they don't.

 

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I believe that Adam and Eve were not the only humans in the planet at the time they existed.

 Existed as creatures Personally formed and created by God one day? I like to be clear because some folks claim that Adam was a product of evolution, and shared ancestors with flatworms, but, by the time man evolved to be man, they were the only folks existing...sort of thing. In other words they do not believe in Genesis or the created first man and woman.

 

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This is partially supported by the Biblical account of Cain’s life after he murdered Abel. You believe that Adam and Eve has additional children prior to Seth, despite no evidence from the Bible.

Elementary. If we actually believe Eve was the first woman created, and mother of all living, we already know where any other people came from. Now if we do not really believe in a real Eve, or Adam, then you cannot move past that point, and would continue to explain away the rest of the bible as well.

 

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My belief is supported by scientific evidence, and yours is not.

You are confused. No evidence supports that God did not take a bone from a man He had created and made a woman! No evidence supports you at all, and only your beliefs imposed onto evidences seem to support you inside your own head. The evidence itself supports creation every bit as much as your belief. (if you were on of those believing TOE)

 

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My belief may be unconventional among evangelical Christians, but evidence is on my side.

I still don't really know what you believe. No science supports you if you think Adam was not Personally formed by God one day in the not too distant past though. You only thought it did. I know it does not.

 

[one.opinion]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

The word bone in Hebrew means this

The Hebrew word used is "tsela". Although it is indeed translated in English as "rib" in Genesis 2:21-22, it is translated most frequently as "side" throughout the rest of the Old Testament. The word is not used as any sort of bone anywhere else in the Bible.

I'm not even bothering mustering a pointless response to the rest.

[dad2]

46 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

The Hebrew word used is "tsela". Although it is indeed translated in English as "rib" in Genesis 2:21-22, it is translated most frequently as "side" throughout the rest of the Old Testament. The word is not used as any sort of bone anywhere else in the Bible.

I'm not even bothering mustering a pointless response to the rest.

 

46 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

The Hebrew word used is "tsela". Although it is indeed translated in English as "rib" in Genesis 2:21-22, it is translated most frequently as "side" throughout the rest of the Old Testament. The word is not used as any sort of bone anywhere else in the Bible.

I'm not even bothering mustering a pointless response to the rest.

Well, God did an operation on Adam and took something from his side from which He made a woman. Adam said she was bone of his bones.

I suspect by the evasion here that you would like to avoid admitting you accept the TOE beliefs, and do not believe that God formed us one day. Obviously the TOE does not involve creation of man and woman one day. You have not renounced that faith, but seem to subtlety support it.

[one.opinion]

24 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Well, God did an operation on Adam and took something from his side from which He made a woman. Adam said she was bone of his bones.

Possibly, yes. It is also possible that this is metaphorical. The special creation could also have been at the spiritual level, since God is spirit and he made the essence of Adam and Eve to be in His likeness. This special creation could be in a completely different realm of existence.